94 Supra with 421 stroker smallblock swap
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From: St.Charles MO
maybe gm is a just so cheap they keep re-using the same design over and over again even though it isn't nearly as efficient as the new engines out these days.. or wait, maybe...
I see absolutely no reason to drop this architecture. Unless you can find an engine that is under 400lbs dry, physically smaller, cheaper and makes more power.
Heres an LS2 sitting next to a VQ V6:
And heres an LS1 next to a 1UZ
Why would you want a heavier, bigger V6 (or V8) with less power when you could have a lighter, smaller V8 with more power (that also costs less)?
im going with the latter... hence why the newest corvette was going to come with a super high revving turbocharged engine....... but.... still going to have an option for some high discplacement v8 that can't even match the power and capabilities of the other engine said to be avail.....?
GM has tested using a DOHC engine in a C5 test car, and stuck with the OHV design because of what I posted above ^
so you're saying that the engine will throw less fuel into the cylinder for every stroke simply by removing weight from the car?
Do you loose gas mileage if you tow something? Yes? Why is that? And you gain that mileage back when your not towing right?
As far as gearing goes again the overdecorated "8mpg" figure is from cars with 3 speed (or less) gearboxes. You are cruising at a higher RPM and therefore using more fuel. Give it more gears so it can cruise at a lower RPM and you will use less fuel. In your Supra at 60mph would you get better gas mileage in 3rd gear or 6th?
torque will definately get you up there quick, but it won't keep it there, a semi has 5x the torque it does HP, and i wouldn't exactly call those things speed machines.
Im not talking peak numbers, I know your supra guy so thats all your care about but read up, maybe you'll learn something.
http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
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From: St.Charles MO
You still havent told us which supra you are talking about...
You really are lost...
Nova, ok?
GM big block.
GM performance built transmission.
GM 12 bolt.
Hows that for a frankencar?
Congrats, you lost to a junkyard car 
uh...yeahh... lets see.. those factory and non factory things are very major components im talking about... basically your saying you are gonna drive a shell to the track made up of 100 different cars, and when you beat someone you are gonna say "hahhaha, my little old nova beat your supra like it was nothing"... and then you pop the hood, and its an engine from a damn ford, combined with a ford 9 inch rear, a viper's transmission and driveshaft, and basically the only thing nova left on the car.... is the paint.
Nova, ok?
GM big block.
GM performance built transmission.
GM 12 bolt.
Hows that for a frankencar?
congrats? what the **** is the point of that.
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We've already established that foreverpsychotic drives a Mk3 turd...
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Um no..you better do some research.
You dont judge an Auto on a roll race anyways..that 700R4, if it holds up, will run the 1/4 better than a roll race.
I have a MVB TH350 in my setup that I'll dominate over a decently modded Poopra with no problem in the 1/4..and that's only a 3spd..
And if ya want to bring it to the highway my T56 setup will dominate too.
I can swap back n forth from Auto to T56 in under 4 hours..and it's a bolt-in/bolt-out setup too..get you some of that.
You dont judge an Auto on a roll race anyways..that 700R4, if it holds up, will run the 1/4 better than a roll race.
I have a MVB TH350 in my setup that I'll dominate over a decently modded Poopra with no problem in the 1/4..and that's only a 3spd..
And if ya want to bring it to the highway my T56 setup will dominate too.
I can swap back n forth from Auto to T56 in under 4 hours..and it's a bolt-in/bolt-out setup too..get you some of that.
it will run a better quarter topping out before ever getting to the end of the track? all part of the plan right.
how much more redneck are you going to get talking about how many gears something has? the number of gears was never an issue.
god i feel like im having a conversation with 20 relatives named cletus
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one thing i've built was a 69 c-10 with a 350 with light bolt ons and th350. but that won't fly here, im still a ricer, and most of the guys in this thread are still rednecks. right?
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Uhhh I said that in my post, you even highlighted it... 
Guess all those cars with single turbo upgrades call themselves BPU since they're bolt-on cars since it's such a basic bolt-on upgrade right?
http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html
You see, now those are bolt-ons. Good job.
Guess all those cars with single turbo upgrades call themselves BPU since they're bolt-on cars since it's such a basic bolt-on upgrade right?
http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html
You see, now those are bolt-ons. Good job.
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And, my dyno sheet is larger than your dyno sheet, therefore your argument is invalid
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They basically do, taking the same V8, V10, or V12 and adding to it and improving it.
Or maybe they do it because of its fantastic power/torque to weight and physical size. Its smaller than most production V6s out there (like the Nissan VQ for example) while making 500+hp from the factory (LS7 example) while still being heavily restricted (intake/exhaust/tune make 50+RWHP). And in the Corvette gets 26+mpg highway...
I see absolutely no reason to drop this architecture. Unless you can find an engine that is under 400lbs dry, physically smaller, cheaper and makes more power.
Heres an LS2 sitting next to a VQ V6:
And heres an LS1 next to a 1UZ
Why would you want a heavier, bigger V6 (or V8) with less power when you could have a lighter, smaller V8 with more power (that also costs less)?
Showing your superior knowledge again I see. That was an internet rumor. The C7 will come with a 6.2L LSx V8.
GM has tested using a DOHC engine in a C5 test car, and stuck with the OHV design because of what I posted above ^
Im saying the engine will use less fuel to move a lighter car. You have to remove significant weigh to see significant results.
Do you loose gas mileage if you tow something? Yes? Why is that? And you gain that mileage back when your not towing right?
As far as gearing goes again the overdecorated "8mpg" figure is from cars with 3 speed (or less) gearboxes. You are cruising at a higher RPM and therefore using more fuel. Give it more gears so it can cruise at a lower RPM and you will use less fuel. In your Supra at 60mph would you get better gas mileage in 3rd gear or 6th?
You don't understand what torque is.
Im not talking peak numbers, I know your supra guy so thats all your care about but read up, maybe you'll learn something.
http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
Or maybe they do it because of its fantastic power/torque to weight and physical size. Its smaller than most production V6s out there (like the Nissan VQ for example) while making 500+hp from the factory (LS7 example) while still being heavily restricted (intake/exhaust/tune make 50+RWHP). And in the Corvette gets 26+mpg highway...
I see absolutely no reason to drop this architecture. Unless you can find an engine that is under 400lbs dry, physically smaller, cheaper and makes more power.
Heres an LS2 sitting next to a VQ V6:
And heres an LS1 next to a 1UZ
Why would you want a heavier, bigger V6 (or V8) with less power when you could have a lighter, smaller V8 with more power (that also costs less)?
Showing your superior knowledge again I see. That was an internet rumor. The C7 will come with a 6.2L LSx V8.
GM has tested using a DOHC engine in a C5 test car, and stuck with the OHV design because of what I posted above ^
Im saying the engine will use less fuel to move a lighter car. You have to remove significant weigh to see significant results.
Do you loose gas mileage if you tow something? Yes? Why is that? And you gain that mileage back when your not towing right?
As far as gearing goes again the overdecorated "8mpg" figure is from cars with 3 speed (or less) gearboxes. You are cruising at a higher RPM and therefore using more fuel. Give it more gears so it can cruise at a lower RPM and you will use less fuel. In your Supra at 60mph would you get better gas mileage in 3rd gear or 6th?
You don't understand what torque is.
Im not talking peak numbers, I know your supra guy so thats all your care about but read up, maybe you'll learn something.
http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
another thing. we aren't talking about a corvette engine from now, we are talking about the engine he put in the car. it will never ever see the same gas mileage at the same power. its simply less efficient. you wont even see the same if you sit at idle and move 60 mph. weight has nothing to do with that 421 being capable of 25+mpg
we all know their design has changed, but he chose to use outdated tech.
woulda been kinda cool to see a twin turbo ls7 or ls9 in there, something worthwhile ya know.
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awesome? thats my point. its like pulling up to a drag strip in a fiberglass bodymold that looks like a chevelle with too much rake, and doing 6 seconds.... then telling the guy in the street legal mustang he got beat by a chevelle... when in fact, it wasn't really a chevelle..
same thing when you roll up in a car that retains nothing from the original car.. its just a frame and body with a bunch of junk from other things. congrats on winning with a junkyard car i guess, but i wouldnt run around saying that it was an actual "whateveryacallit"
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Uhhh I said that in my post, you even highlighted it...
Guess all those cars with single turbo upgrades call themselves BPU since they're bolt-on cars since it's such a basic bolt-on upgrade right?
http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html
You see, now those are bolt-ons. Good job.
Guess all those cars with single turbo upgrades call themselves BPU since they're bolt-on cars since it's such a basic bolt-on upgrade right?
http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html
You see, now those are bolt-ons. Good job.
and a BASIC upgrade, is just doing intake, exhaust, etc etc... "full bpu" for supras is considered intake, exhaust, boost controller, intercooler kit. people tend to add on a + on the end when they feel something went above and beyond basic like cam gears or cams etc etc.
and advanced upgrade WOULD be a turbo kit.. but that doesn't make it no longer bolton.
hell, an APU car would be considered to have an aftermarket intake, throttle body, and exhaust manifold in the supra world. yet those are all "basic" to you guys?
have a natty lite on me
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right on the main page
"BOLT ON 11's and 10's WITH PROCHARGER AND PUMP GAS"
i believe you are on to something
it will run a better quarter topping out before ever getting to the end of the track? all part of the plan right.
how much more redneck are you going to get talking about how many gears something has? the number of gears was never an issue.
god i feel like im having a conversation with 20 relatives named cletus
how much more redneck are you going to get talking about how many gears something has? the number of gears was never an issue.
god i feel like im having a conversation with 20 relatives named cletus
So you would want to cross the line in overdrive huh? Excellent ricer logic speedracer.
You have clearly proven your point to come here and troll garbage and show ignorance to today's standard of performance. When you will own a vehicle that won't get stomped by a stock LT1 Fbody you might understand.
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Dude what the **** do you expect to accomplish by going and joining every forum that the OP post his car on just to talk ****? You must really have no life. Your talking out of your *** you really don't know what your talking about. I'm reply surprised that you have takin the time between jacking off and watching fast and furious and wiping *** off your lips to post on here as soon as someone responds to you. I'm gonna get your *** banned so get it all out while you can
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pretty fun how everyone gets all butthurt when point are made and still come back with stuff like ricer, fanboy, and all kinds of insults.. and keep on posting too. and i happen to be the one with no life while im being equaled by everyone saying it..
forgot how this crazy world works
and if you would want to entertain me, then what would the top speed of that car be with a 700r4, 4.08 rear end and what rpm is it spinning if im wrong? from what i can tell its about right, which means your limit is staying on the track only. and limited on the track too with a low top speed
forgot how this crazy world works
and if you would want to entertain me, then what would the top speed of that car be with a 700r4, 4.08 rear end and what rpm is it spinning if im wrong? from what i can tell its about right, which means your limit is staying on the track only. and limited on the track too with a low top speed
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Dude what the **** do you expect to accomplish by going and joining every forum that the OP post his car on just to talk ****? You must really have no life. Your talking out of your *** you really don't know what your talking about. I'm reply surprised that you have takin the time between jacking off and watching fast and furious and wiping *** off your lips to post on here as soon as someone responds to you. I'm gonna get your *** banned so get it all out while you can
forgot that ricer fanboys have built 69 chevys with small block chevys in them...
maybe you guys just really don't know what you are talking about with that, or with thinking a sbc is a better option (that particular sbc). we might never find out at this hypocritical rate.
also, i love the last part "im gonna get you banned!", what are you 12? not sure how to deal with real world problems on your own so we resort to tactics from grade school.. IM TELLING!.. yep. thought that was about right lol. apparently you have no idea how to deal with something you can't handle
Go back to your World of Warcraft kid..I don't have a shovel good enough for you to dig yourself out with.
I'd explain to you the error in your ways but I don't want to see you end up in the hospital for a stroke when you figure out logically how the actual performance side of this automotive hobby works.
You might even **** your pants.