The ALMIGHTY Eagle Talon!..... lol
#161
Originally Posted by luvmeZ28
im not questioning your right to be registered, thats completely left up to the mods. i was questioning your motives. so basically you are saying you are a "spy". i can respect that. on the occasion i go to corral.net to see what new mods/performance angles some of those guys come up with. the difference is i didnt register on there so i can argue with the guys when they put down my brand or others. i just sit back, watch, and learn. im just pointing out the fact that it kinda annoys me, and others, obviously, when someone is on here sticking up for the other brands. ive seen you be very condesending and rather insulting to members on this board. i just dont see the point of most of what you say.
I would like to understand this aswell!
#162
Originally Posted by apathy
You can be a 13, 12, or 11 second LS1 and talk **** all you want about "having a fast car."
I'll continue laughing at you.
I'll continue laughing at you.
And you will laugh at 11 second LS1's WHY? Last I checked, an eleven second daily driven street car was, uh, fast regardless of anything else. Period.
Not only that, but I still don't understand why you will "laugh at" 11-12 second LS1's but drool all over some non performance car that has been modded enough to run 13s
Originally Posted by apathy
Why am I here? Because I have respect for the LS1, discussions.
#163
luvmez28 makes a damn good point!
Apathy: I would like to apologize, I get sick and tired of reading posts that do nothing else than critize someone else's opinion, yet in my anger i did exactly that. Just realize that this is an LS1 board, and if you have an opinion you can express it, just do it without "tellin somebody off". I know very well that my car isnt impressive at all compared to some of the highend imports, and definetly not anywhere near where some of the guys are on this board. The whole point of me starting this thread was to share a humorous story with my fellow LS1 owners, and see if they had had similar situations. I DO NOT THINK ALL IMPORTS ARE SLOW. Porsche's are imports, and they can wipe the road with me. So can many supped up hondas and dsm and eclipses etc.
If you want to start fights with others, please do it somewhere else. I like to watch this site to learn about my car, and read some interesting and funny stories.
You are more than welcome to watch and respond, I have no right to stop you, just value our opinions as much as yours even if ours are anti-ricer.
Thanks.
I appreciate everyone's support in this! If any of you are ever in Wichita KS send me a p.m. and ill show ya around!
Apathy: I would like to apologize, I get sick and tired of reading posts that do nothing else than critize someone else's opinion, yet in my anger i did exactly that. Just realize that this is an LS1 board, and if you have an opinion you can express it, just do it without "tellin somebody off". I know very well that my car isnt impressive at all compared to some of the highend imports, and definetly not anywhere near where some of the guys are on this board. The whole point of me starting this thread was to share a humorous story with my fellow LS1 owners, and see if they had had similar situations. I DO NOT THINK ALL IMPORTS ARE SLOW. Porsche's are imports, and they can wipe the road with me. So can many supped up hondas and dsm and eclipses etc.
If you want to start fights with others, please do it somewhere else. I like to watch this site to learn about my car, and read some interesting and funny stories.
You are more than welcome to watch and respond, I have no right to stop you, just value our opinions as much as yours even if ours are anti-ricer.
Thanks.
I appreciate everyone's support in this! If any of you are ever in Wichita KS send me a p.m. and ill show ya around!
#164
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
And you will laugh at 11 second LS1's WHY? Last I checked, an eleven second daily driven street car was, uh, fast regardless of anything else. Period.
You all are telling me SPEED IS SPEED AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
So as far as I can tell, you are either running 4 second 1/4 miles or you are not. Top fuel dragsters are the end all of comparisons, and anything else is just slow. If having a smaller engine isn't impressive, then why should a streetable car be impressive? It is just slower than a race car.
And, my original point was, I'll laugh at an 13, 12, or 11 second LS1 owner (or any other vehicle for that matter) who thinks they drive a fast car.
the difference is i didnt register on there so i can argue with the guys when they put down my brand or others. i just sit back, watch, and learn.
im just pointing out the fact that it kinda annoys me, and others, obviously, when someone is on here sticking up for the other brands. ive seen you be very condesending and rather insulting to members on this board.
I have just as much right to be here as anybody else. LS1 ownership is not a prerequisite of this site in any way, shape, or form. And if sticking up for other brands of cars bothers you, how about people arguing about brands of parts for your car? Are you going to give this same bullshit speech to somebody who is recommending a different cam than you are? Or is that okay because they own a camaro?
I don't venture into the tech posts and start up flame wars. This is not a tech post. It is a story, and an opinion. If his, yours, or Bob's has the right to be up here, then I don't see why mine shouldn't. Unless you want to start emailing copies of your registration to the admin to verify that everyone on here owns an LS1.
I'm out on this thread.
#166
Originally Posted by frey51
Cant we all just get along
Of course that darn Martian kills him right after he says it!
#167
Originally Posted by BigDaddyZ28
When you get about 200,000k on your Z-28, Let's talk about who has a 'JUNK' car... And then we can talk about how much money you had to whoop out of your pocket to keep your shisnit running for those 200k miles...
#168
So as far as I can tell, you are either running 4 second 1/4 miles or you are not. Top fuel dragsters are the end all of comparisons, and anything else is just slow. If having a smaller engine isn't impressive, then why should a streetable car be impressive? It is just slower than a race car.
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omg...
I'm out on this thread.
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1993 Mustang GT - Now with Synthetic Muffler Bearings!
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Quick sand, everyone out!
I thought SMB's are OEM?
I would like to see how fast a four banger can go in the quarter using only 2 gears...
BT 2.3 60'
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omg...
I'm out on this thread.
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1993 Mustang GT - Now with Synthetic Muffler Bearings!
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Quick sand, everyone out!
I thought SMB's are OEM?
I would like to see how fast a four banger can go in the quarter using only 2 gears...
BT 2.3 60'
#169
Originally Posted by apathy
Let me preface what I say with: I could care less what you think.
I'm out on this thread.
BTW - I couldn't give a **** less about what you think either.
#171
Originally Posted by glennhl
Let me guess: Quote from Jack Nicholson playing the President in "Mars Attacks."
Of course that darn Martian kills him right after he says it!
Of course that darn Martian kills him right after he says it!
Fry
#172
Originally Posted by apathy
Who cares if it is daily driven or not?
You all are telling me SPEED IS SPEED AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
You all are telling me SPEED IS SPEED AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
Originally Posted by apathy
So as far as I can tell, you are either running 4 second 1/4 miles or you are not. Top fuel dragsters are the end all of comparisons, and anything else is just slow. If having a smaller engine isn't impressive, then why should a streetable car be impressive? It is just slower than a race car.
Originally Posted by apathy
And, my original point was, I'll laugh at an 13, 12, or 11 second LS1 owner (or any other vehicle for that matter) who thinks they drive a fast car.
Originally Posted by apathy
Let me preface what I say with: I could care less what you think.
Originally Posted by apathy
I'm out on this thread.
Come back and defend yourself. Quit being a crybaby and stand up to your flames instead of running away because you are so much better than everyone else.
I forone, have always valued your opinon in the Street racing section, I think you have just as much right to be here as the Corvette owners, just please lose the additude dude.
-Todd
Last edited by Gloveperson; 08-24-2004 at 08:05 PM.
#173
Originally Posted by apathy
Who cares if it is daily driven or not?
You all are telling me SPEED IS SPEED AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
So as far as I can tell, you are either running 4 second 1/4 miles or you are not. Top fuel dragsters are the end all of comparisons, and anything else is just slow.
You all are telling me SPEED IS SPEED AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
So as far as I can tell, you are either running 4 second 1/4 miles or you are not. Top fuel dragsters are the end all of comparisons, and anything else is just slow.
Gloveperson: I think you covered most of what he said pretty well.
#174
Most people with cars like them and the ones you are talking bout (DSM's, etc etc) are NOT RACE CARS! FYI: YOU are the one that first brought up all out race cars calling on John Shephard
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YIKES!
Damn, that's gotta hurt...
4 banger + FI DD with 2 gears + $$$$$ = ET/MPH?
btw, any takers on what the top end on that 4 banger might be?
Wait a sec, anyone have an exhaust manifold for a T-76 for my lawnmower.
I figure 20 or 30!!! psi ought to make it cut better...or maybe get it into the 11's
Stuff it till she blows!!!
BT
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YIKES!
Damn, that's gotta hurt...
4 banger + FI DD with 2 gears + $$$$$ = ET/MPH?
btw, any takers on what the top end on that 4 banger might be?
Wait a sec, anyone have an exhaust manifold for a T-76 for my lawnmower.
I figure 20 or 30!!! psi ought to make it cut better...or maybe get it into the 11's
Stuff it till she blows!!!
BT
#175
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Yea..right
Come back and defend yourself. Quit being a crybaby and stand up to your flames instead of running away because you are so much better than everyone else.
Come back and defend yourself. Quit being a crybaby and stand up to your flames instead of running away because you are so much better than everyone else.
My post about race cars wasn't a flame, and that's not how I feel. I have a lot of respect for the LS1, and for a fast street car. That's my personal goal. I'm just pointing out what's being said.
You all are saying it doesn't matter if it's a 4 or 8 cylinder, even though it is harder to get a 4 cylinder car down the track fast than an 8 cylinder car (no replacement for displacement). It is more difficult to make power out of 4 cylinders than out of 8 cylinders.
However, it apparently does matter if it is a streetable car compared to a race car. Why? Because it is harder to get a streetable, daily driver down the track fast than a race only car. It is more difficult to make power out of a street car than a race car.
This is complete hypocrisy.
I'll apologize to those who are trying to have a respectful discussion, but I'm not going to sit here and try to reason with people who are making two faced arguments. You can think whatever you want. The 11 sec streetable DSM sucks, and the 12.5 sec LS1 rocks. Great.
#176
Originally Posted by apathy
I have already PM'd the thread starter apologizing for hijacking his thread.
My post about race cars wasn't a flame, and that's not how I feel. I have a lot of respect for the LS1, and for a fast street car. That's my personal goal. I'm just pointing out what's being said.
You all are saying it doesn't matter if it's a 4 or 8 cylinder, even though it is harder to get a 4 cylinder car down the track fast than an 8 cylinder car (no replacement for displacement). It is more difficult to make power out of 4 cylinders than out of 8 cylinders.
However, it apparently does matter if it is a streetable car compared to a race car. Why? Because it is harder to get a streetable, daily driver down the track fast than a race only car. It is more difficult to make power out of a street car than a race car.
This is complete hypocrisy.
I'll apologize to those who are trying to have a respectful discussion, but I'm not going to sit here and try to reason with people who are making two faced arguments. You can think whatever you want. The 11 sec streetable DSM sucks, and the 12.5 sec LS1 rocks. Great.
My post about race cars wasn't a flame, and that's not how I feel. I have a lot of respect for the LS1, and for a fast street car. That's my personal goal. I'm just pointing out what's being said.
You all are saying it doesn't matter if it's a 4 or 8 cylinder, even though it is harder to get a 4 cylinder car down the track fast than an 8 cylinder car (no replacement for displacement). It is more difficult to make power out of 4 cylinders than out of 8 cylinders.
However, it apparently does matter if it is a streetable car compared to a race car. Why? Because it is harder to get a streetable, daily driver down the track fast than a race only car. It is more difficult to make power out of a street car than a race car.
This is complete hypocrisy.
I'll apologize to those who are trying to have a respectful discussion, but I'm not going to sit here and try to reason with people who are making two faced arguments. You can think whatever you want. The 11 sec streetable DSM sucks, and the 12.5 sec LS1 rocks. Great.
Oye. Back to the 4 vs 8 cylinders again? Okay, I don't hail 4 cylinder cars for going as fast as 8 cylinder cars because how many cylinders it has (all else being equal in terms of performance, reliability, etc) doesn't mean jack ****. All it affects is the exhaust note in that situation. You want to hail the 4 cylinder for doing the same thing as an 8 cylinder while laughing at the 8
You do realize that all along the base of this argument is that the 4 cylinder sucks at performance while the V8 is great at it, right??? I mean, who would honestly buy the four banger and work harder to get less? I can't think of any good reason.....
Also, comparing the number of cylinders is NOTHING like comparing race cars to street cars. I don't think I should have to explain that one.
#178
Originally Posted by apathy
You all are saying it doesn't matter if it's a 4 or 8 cylinder, even though it is harder to get a 4 cylinder car down the track fast than an 8 cylinder car (no replacement for displacement). It is more difficult to make power out of 4 cylinders than out of 8 cylinders.
Originally Posted by apathy
However, it apparently does matter if it is a streetable car compared to a race car. Why? Because it is harder to get a streetable, daily driver down the track fast than a race only car. It is more difficult to make power out of a street car than a race car.
This is complete hypocrisy.
This is complete hypocrisy.
In today's society, engineers know a lot more about internal combusion than the engineers of the 50's, 60's and 70's. Back then, the best way to make power was make a huge engine. Now adays, we know better. There are more differences between a Honda 4 banger and an LS1 than the number of cylinders and cubic inches that make the 4 banger make a lot of power.
Originally Posted by apathy
I'll apologize to those who are trying to have a respectful discussion, but I'm not going to sit here and try to reason with people who are making two faced arguments. You can think whatever you want. The 11 sec streetable DSM sucks, and the 12.5 sec LS1 rocks. Great.
No one said that 11 second streetable DSM's suck. Oh, peice of friendly advice. Apologizing at the begining of the sentance then insulting at the end of a sentace is not a good idea.
-Todd
#179
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
That was true in the 60's. It is no longer true today. Forced induction really helped turn that around (I am talking about street cars here)
That is only true when you do not look at it objectivly. It is a fact that is more difficult to make power out of a street car over a race car.
Slap a turbo on a four banger, crack out 17 PSI out of the factory and BAM you have 271 horespower out of the crank. Fords 4.6 liter SOHC V8 does not make as much power as that (I was using the Evo as an example). The LS1 is not incredible because of its 346 cubic inches out of the factory. The head design, the intake tall intake port design, the intake manifold design are what really made it such performer right out of the factory.
Slap a turbo on a four banger, crack out 17 PSI out of the factory and BAM you have 271 horespower out of the crank. Fords 4.6 liter SOHC V8 does not make as much power as that (I was using the Evo as an example). The LS1 is not incredible because of its 346 cubic inches out of the factory. The head design, the intake tall intake port design, the intake manifold design are what really made it such performer right out of the factory.
Compare that Evo to the '03 Cobra. Both have FI, one is 4 cylinder, one is 8. You will see the difference.
Take all that design on the LS1 and put it on a 4 cylinder. Or, just yank the plugs off one side of the engine. If you get 340hp, then I'll say you are right. Displacement is a very important part of the power. I'm not saying it is everything, but it is a very significant advantage.
There are more differences between a Honda 4 banger and an LS1 than the number of cylinders and cubic inches that make the 4 banger make a lot of power.
All I said was I give more respect to a 4 cylinder that's running X time than to an 8 cylinder that's running the same time. Because it's harder to reach X in a 4 cylinder than an 8 (not talking about old junker engines).
If you don't feel that way, that is okay. But if you are really going to say speed is speed, then what is the difference between a race car that's running 10.2 and being trailered and a street LS1 running 10.5 other than the street car is slower?
You say "It's cool that he can run it on the street and on the track that fast." Which I agree with. I say "It's cool that they can push the same power to weight ratio in an engine that is less than half the size." I don't really see the difference here.
#180
I'm going to try to highlight how you contradicted yourself here, before I get another "you are putting words in people's mouth" comment:
Here we see the only thing that really matters is how fast your car is.
Okay, so speed is speed is speed.
Okay, so the cars deserve some respect, but not more as long as your ET's/traps are better. So speed is speed is speed.
Wait a second...your 12 second car gets more respect than a 10 second car?
Your opinion is cool with me. You can sit here and try to factually reason that respecting Streetability makes sense, but respecting a smaller engine does not, but you won't be able to. Both are handicaps.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Import owners have been trying to impress domestice owners by saying things like hp/ liter when what only really matters is how fast your car is.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Most people like myself are not impressed by how small your engine is because that matters a lot less than how fast you are.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
It is of course cool to see a 1.8 liter engine put out almost as much power as 5.7. Does it deserve some respect? Yes. But does it deserve more respect than your ET and trap speed? No, especially if mine are better.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
I respect a daily driven 12 second car more than I respect a 10 second track car.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Streetable is more impressive than small engines, as I stated above.