how about this...


LT1's and LS1's both suck, get a FORD




this is a tired and very old argument guys... going to be biased opinions and what not..

let irrr die, and have a good day everyone

 

I wish my LT1 was that fast

Stop spreading your liberal lies

-Todd

 

I never figured the LT1 cars were putting rear-wheel numbers close to their flywheel ratings.

Another thing - If these LT1 cars are putting these numbers down, where is their trap speed? 12.79 @ 105? It must be geared and have a drag setup with that low of a mph. I trapped 106 bone stock - yet I ran 13.5. We all know a LS1 traps high, but I don't think we can blame that on where the LS1 makes power when there are LT1's making a little less than a stock LS1 makes at the wheel, yet it's a lot quicker. It just doesn't make sense.

 

A lot of the time difference I think comes from a few things
1) LS1 cars are sooo much easier to launch IMHO.. The trq hits at a perfect point and pulls you after you have left the line. The LT1 from my experiences blows the damn tires up right at the line.
2) LS1 cars do have a HP advantage, plus a lil higher redline... enough to make a 4 or 5mph gap possible. M6 LT1 cars have trapped 101~102mph bone stock. LS1 Auto cars have trapped 103 mph (my friends car is a 98 and traps 100mph)
3) I was trapping 103mph with simple bolt ons, stock cam, stock manifolds, and a 2200 stall. I wasn't anywhere near the 12s though. Different setups will net different results. Look at the mustang guys..some trap high mph for a high 12...others trap less than a stock ls1 and run mid to low 12s.

Obviously LS1 cars have a larger spread in stock rwhp numbers... LT1s tend to stay within a certain range. At the highest end an LT1 will put down ALMOST as much power as the Lowest end LS1 car. Thats all there is to it.

 

I found my buddies LT1's easier to launch than I did my LS1 cars. Maybe it was the fact that I was used to launching my Mustang. I'm comparing it to the track, not the street.

 

if i had the power here i'd lock it already

 

 

Nah...he said he wanted something fast.

 

They are both great cars and can both go fast. I like them both. I think the LT1s look more aggressive, though... Can you say "Catfish"...?

 

Nope, right off the street. 3.73's, 2800 stall and some BFG's. A 1.78 60' helped too. 105.6 is damn good for a LT1 w/ no headers, full weight and only 268 rwhp, at least from what Ive seen
-Mark

 

 

There, you answered it. The stall, gears, and tires. You just went with a good setup. You've also got a 93 which, IMO, runs better bolt on vs bolt on to a 94-97 car.

But if a buy wants to have a car that's going to win street races, especially from a roll, the LS1 is where to go.

 

good lord you guys are still ******* bitching.

 

I believe there, discussing...

 

bitching? Where? Simply because I agreed that he had a good setup to run a quick time? I was simply reiterating that it's not going to trap as high as a LS1. Jeez, soooooorrrryyyy, I bow to your holyness of stfu

 

Hey, could we keep the four letter words to a minimum please......... j/k

 

well this is a "forum" for discussion.. the only one "bitching" around here is u

 

or 11's... or 10's..... or nines LOL

 

Good lord the LT1 guys are at it again. I have heard of LT1's dynoing as high as 265 rwhp (yes I too call bs on 272 or whatever was claimed). But I have also heard of LS1's dynoing as high as 315 rwhp. That's a difference of 50 rwhp. I have heard of LT1's dynoing as low as 235 rwhp. I have also heard of LS1's dynoing as low as 275 rwhp. That's still a difference of 40 rwhp. Then there is the other 90% of us who will dyno closer to 290 rwhp in a LS1 and 250 rwhp in a LT1. Average difference in similair tranny cars is still around 40 rwhp.

LS1 is newer, faster and easier to work on. Prices are starting to come down on LS1 aftermarket parts and the cars themselves for that matter. So the "bang for the buck" argument is going to weaken as time goes on. I'm not saying the LT1 is a bad engine. It's a great car for younger people on limited budgets or track gurus that want to build a 9 second beast. But the LS1 is an great motor and one step above the LT1 just as the LS6 is a step above the LS1.

98 LS1 TA can be had for 10K and would definately be the way to go especially for a bolt-on only car. You can have a low 12 second LS1 trapping around 110 with just bolt-ons and drag radials. LS1 would be my vote

 

I was trapping 110-111 consistently with my 01 Z with a lid, free mods, y-pipe, loudmouth, and predator. I think that's pretty good for the mods. If I could do it, I'm sure others can too.