Beginner enthusiast cam swap package!
05-11-2008, 01:18 PM
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Beginner enthusiast cam swap package! EDELBROCK LSX 430 HP cam - no tune required
Designed for a "no tuning required" camshaft upgrade in 1997 and later LS1/LS6/LS2 based GM engines, the Edelbrock RPM 430HP camshaft delivers 433 HP and 421 Ft/Lbs. of Torque without touching your factory tune. This combination of high lift, low duration and wide lobe separation delivers the performance you want while maintaining great low speed idle and drivability in automatic or manual .
573" I / .580" E 207° I / 220° 118° [Performance (as tested on 5.7L 2001 LS6 engine): 433.6 HP @ 6000 RPM / 421.9 Ft/Lbs of Torque @
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TO go with it: PAC 1218 beehive springs
PAC is the original manufacturer for the Comp 918s until CC decided to go to another manufacturer (and we have seen problems since). These are beehive springs and drop right into the LS1 heads.
The 1218s (CC918 equiv) for $145 with the package. This spring is good to .600 lift
I also offer a cam swap tool rental, if you purchase the cam and spring package, you can use them for free! You pay shipping and deposit.
Honestly this is a great beginner package deal for someone. If you haven’t done a cam install before and want to get your hands dirty this is the way to go.
I provide the cam install tools and am available for what ever help you might need. pm's telephone I'll walk you through it.
You can use your stock retainers and there is no real reason not to with this cam. The PAC springs are a drop in and the tool I provide is the best there is for doing the job. Crane dual spring tool.
Its not a cam your spinning past stock rpms so the oil pump concerns are pretty much alleviated. Some models were prone to failure and its never a bad idea to replace a high mileage pump from those year cars.. IIRC 98-99? Open to discuss
IMO this is about as simple a do it yourselfer for the beginner as there can be. Perfect for beginner enthusiasts who want to get their hands dirty and learn with minimal risk and expense.
Designed for a "no tuning required" camshaft upgrade in 1997 and later LS1/LS6/LS2 based GM engines, the Edelbrock RPM 430HP camshaft delivers 433 HP and 421 Ft/Lbs. of Torque without touching your factory tune. This combination of high lift, low duration and wide lobe separation delivers the performance you want while maintaining great low speed idle and drivability in automatic or manual .
573" I / .580" E 207° I / 220° 118° [Performance (as tested on 5.7L 2001 LS6 engine): 433.6 HP @ 6000 RPM / 421.9 Ft/Lbs of Torque @
transmission cars
TO go with it: PAC 1218 beehive springs
PAC is the original manufacturer for the Comp 918s until CC decided to go to another manufacturer (and we have seen problems since). These are beehive springs and drop right into the LS1 heads.
The 1218s (CC918 equiv) for $145 with the package. This spring is good to .600 lift
I also offer a cam swap tool rental, if you purchase the cam and spring package, you can use them for free! You pay shipping and deposit.
Honestly this is a great beginner package deal for someone. If you haven’t done a cam install before and want to get your hands dirty this is the way to go.
I provide the cam install tools and am available for what ever help you might need. pm's telephone I'll walk you through it.
You can use your stock retainers and there is no real reason not to with this cam. The PAC springs are a drop in and the tool I provide is the best there is for doing the job. Crane dual spring tool.
Its not a cam your spinning past stock rpms so the oil pump concerns are pretty much alleviated. Some models were prone to failure and its never a bad idea to replace a high mileage pump from those year cars.. IIRC 98-99? Open to discuss
IMO this is about as simple a do it yourselfer for the beginner as there can be. Perfect for beginner enthusiasts who want to get their hands dirty and learn with minimal risk and expense.
And the 430 hp is flywheel, not rwhp. Not going to see a lot of gain with that cam. 
05-11-2008, 02:07 PM
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Actualy this is the perfect section for it. There is merit to discusion of this. Not everyone wants to break the bank so to speak with their first cam swap. Its a great way to learn for the beginner. By not going to big with the cam your saving the trans or clutch and most likely the rear-end as well. This is perfect for someone who wants more power without having to dump hundreds or even thousands of dollars into their car just for a cam.
It works with stock heads but Edelbrock sells some heads to go with it for more bolt on power without tuning. This is true bolt on hassle free power. You dont need to get an expensive dyno tune or mail in tune and go back and forth until they get it right. Just slap it in and go. Perfect weekend project that doesnt linger on and cost more and more money.
It works with stock heads but Edelbrock sells some heads to go with it for more bolt on power without tuning. This is true bolt on hassle free power. You dont need to get an expensive dyno tune or mail in tune and go back and forth until they get it right. Just slap it in and go. Perfect weekend project that doesnt linger on and cost more and more money.
05-11-2008, 02:16 PM
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Again you’re missing the whole point of the cam and subsequent heads. NO TUNING REQUIRED
No everyone has the money or even a resource close to them for a bigger cam requiring tuning. If you cant appreciate those peoples circumstances there is nothing I can say to you. I cant stress enough the ease of which this cam package is setup for.
NO tuning, tools and instructions provided. Again perfect for beginner techies. Not everyone wants to get in over their head with their first venture into modifying their car
Disappointed is when you cant afford a tune or intake or exhaust spend a bunch of money and dont get the same results you see posted from the same cam from someone else.. who had the money for all the supporting mods to make those numbers and someone to tune it for him....
Been there done that, this is perfect for what it intended for... Beginner enthusiasts who want to learn and dont have a big budget, dont want to have to swap the clutch or worry about the trans burning up or the rear puking out. There is more to it than just the cam. Putting big power to the ground is not just a cam swap.
Making big power is done in steps unless you've got big $$$ to drop down at once.
No everyone has the money or even a resource close to them for a bigger cam requiring tuning. If you cant appreciate those peoples circumstances there is nothing I can say to you. I cant stress enough the ease of which this cam package is setup for.
NO tuning, tools and instructions provided. Again perfect for beginner techies. Not everyone wants to get in over their head with their first venture into modifying their car
Disappointed is when you cant afford a tune or intake or exhaust spend a bunch of money and dont get the same results you see posted from the same cam from someone else.. who had the money for all the supporting mods to make those numbers and someone to tune it for him....
Been there done that, this is perfect for what it intended for... Beginner enthusiasts who want to learn and dont have a big budget, dont want to have to swap the clutch or worry about the trans burning up or the rear puking out. There is more to it than just the cam. Putting big power to the ground is not just a cam swap.
Making big power is done in steps unless you've got big $$$ to drop down at once.
Last edited by 99blancoSS; 05-11-2008 at 02:22 PM.
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05-11-2008, 07:05 PM
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Edelbrock did their testing and this is what they found. I can very well offer another cam and then tuning is required which is added costs. Then you’ll be needing a clutch or trans re-build and rear end.
The hecklers seem to be keep leaving this part out. NO TUNE. Yes it’s a minimal gain cam and that’s why it’s perfect for someone who doesn’t need to brag about the size of their cam and wants to get their feet wet with a simple cam swap. The hecklers also don’t realize that most advertised numbers are flywheel hp.
really guys this is for "beginner" techies or someone who wants a little more zip without all the hassles. Not sure why some people cant understand that or respect those choices but I'll keep explaining it if I have to. But really if you don’t have an interest and your only interest is to heckle you should maybe just not post and save us all the hassle. The numbers are plain to see and they don’t or I try to hide any information from anyone. Plain to see for everyone in the TOP paragraph are their testing results. Nothing is thrown in later to be semi hidden or maybe not seen.
As far as an LS1 vs LS6… better heads make better power… what was the advertised numbers? 5 more hp for and ls1 to an ls6? But thats why Edelbrock made a head to go with this cam. Again no tune required with the head swap. True bolt-on HP. $510 plus shipping
The hecklers seem to be keep leaving this part out. NO TUNE. Yes it’s a minimal gain cam and that’s why it’s perfect for someone who doesn’t need to brag about the size of their cam and wants to get their feet wet with a simple cam swap. The hecklers also don’t realize that most advertised numbers are flywheel hp.
really guys this is for "beginner" techies or someone who wants a little more zip without all the hassles. Not sure why some people cant understand that or respect those choices but I'll keep explaining it if I have to. But really if you don’t have an interest and your only interest is to heckle you should maybe just not post and save us all the hassle. The numbers are plain to see and they don’t or I try to hide any information from anyone. Plain to see for everyone in the TOP paragraph are their testing results. Nothing is thrown in later to be semi hidden or maybe not seen.
As far as an LS1 vs LS6… better heads make better power… what was the advertised numbers? 5 more hp for and ls1 to an ls6? But thats why Edelbrock made a head to go with this cam. Again no tune required with the head swap. True bolt-on HP. $510 plus shipping
Last edited by 99blancoSS; 05-11-2008 at 07:19 PM.
05-11-2008, 07:41 PM
#10
It took an LS6 from 405hp to 430hp. That is a gain of 25hp from a cam swap and swapping springs, into 10.5scr heads.
They would have a much better sales pitch advertising power on an LS1. People on a tight budget, who this is marketed for-probably don't have a c5zo6, CTS-V, or spare pair of $900 LS6 heads laying around. And if they did they would have to swap injectors and tune to run the LS6 heads properly. Sounds like edelbrock needs a new marketing department
They would have a much better sales pitch advertising power on an LS1. People on a tight budget, who this is marketed for-probably don't have a c5zo6, CTS-V, or spare pair of $900 LS6 heads laying around. And if they did they would have to swap injectors and tune to run the LS6 heads properly. Sounds like edelbrock needs a new marketing department
05-11-2008, 09:31 PM
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It took an LS6 from 405hp to 430hp. That is a gain of 25hp from a cam swap and swapping springs, into 10.5scr heads.
They would have a much better sales pitch advertising power on an LS1. People on a tight budget, who this is marketed for-probably don't have a c5zo6, CTS-V, or spare pair of $900 LS6 heads laying around. And if they did they would have to swap injectors and tune to run the LS6 heads properly. Sounds like edelbrock needs a new marketing department
They would have a much better sales pitch advertising power on an LS1. People on a tight budget, who this is marketed for-probably don't have a c5zo6, CTS-V, or spare pair of $900 LS6 heads laying around. And if they did they would have to swap injectors and tune to run the LS6 heads properly. Sounds like edelbrock needs a new marketing department
05-11-2008, 09:42 PM
#12
Ya thats it, they set out to dupe the public. They set out to make a drop in cam for people who dont want to drop big bucks or deal with issues. They accomplished that goal. You can't appreciate it thats your issue really. I sell a 248/260 113 + 3 for the same price but try driving it without a tune or more expensive springs. Someone wants a regular cam package I can surely do that but thats not what this thread is about. You guys seem to be narrow minded about things and think that unless someone puts a cam in to meet your standards then they're wasting time and money. They dont get a choice, you decide it for them. thats nice. No one else offers this option that I know of. Tools to do the job, all the help you need and only $510 complete. NO TUNING your driving it as soon as you fire it up and your done with it.
There are plenty of people who are looking for just this package. Don't need to get headers and deal with all the issues of the banging Y. Its called the butterfly effect. Some people dont want to deal with that. You guys seem to leave out all those things that are associated with bigger cams and more power. Its added expense in more than one area. Again Edelbrock came up with a solution for it and I have packaged it with my tool swap package and PAC valve springs for a great beginner package.
There are plenty of people who are looking for just this package. Don't need to get headers and deal with all the issues of the banging Y. Its called the butterfly effect. Some people dont want to deal with that. You guys seem to leave out all those things that are associated with bigger cams and more power. Its added expense in more than one area. Again Edelbrock came up with a solution for it and I have packaged it with my tool swap package and PAC valve springs for a great beginner package.
Last edited by 99blancoSS; 05-11-2008 at 09:48 PM.
05-11-2008, 09:48 PM
#13
Ya thats it, they set out to dupe the public. They set out to make a drop in cam for people who dont want to drop big bucks or deal with issues. They accomplished that goal. You can't appreciate it thats your issue really. I sell a 248/260 113 + 3 for the same price but try driving it without a tune. Someone wants a regular cam package I can surely do that but thats not what this thread is about. You guys seem to be narrow minded about things and think that unless someone puts a cam in to meet your standards then they're wasting time and money. They dont get a choice, you decide it for them. thats nice. No one else offers this option that I know of. Tools to do the job, all the help you need and only $510 complete. NO TUNING your driving it as soon as you fire it up and your done with it.
05-11-2008, 09:55 PM
#14
I hear you man and I dont think anyone is knocking the actual product itself, its the HP claims that are turning people off. I mean they could advertise 530 HP with the swap and not tell people it was swapped into a 500hp LS7 engine. It sounds like a real nice package but again its like the a lot of advertised numbers that you see with products nowadays that give people unrealistic goals for the product.
I'd like to see some real world numbers with it for sure, but I dont have a stock ls1 to try it out on. I will say this. If someone goes with the package and then wants to swap to a bigger cam later I will work with them on it. Tool rental will be for free and the price of the cam will be adjusted. I take care of my customers as best I can.
05-11-2008, 10:03 PM
#15
Well thats where the salesperson comes in. Who ever approaches me to purchase this will be told all there is to know about it. You cant just buy it from me without talking to me first so I advise people of the reality of things before they drop their hard earned coin no matter what I sell. I can appreciate what your saying. Thats why I am in business in the first place now. Was disappointed as a customer, knew I could do better and here I am.
I'd like to see some real world numbers with it for sure, but I dont have a stock ls1 to try it out on. I will say this. If someone goes with the package and then wants to swap to a bigger cam later I will work with them on it. Tool rental will be for free and the price of the cam will be adjusted. I take care of my customers as best I can.
I'd like to see some real world numbers with it for sure, but I dont have a stock ls1 to try it out on. I will say this. If someone goes with the package and then wants to swap to a bigger cam later I will work with them on it. Tool rental will be for free and the price of the cam will be adjusted. I take care of my customers as best I can.
05-11-2008, 10:07 PM
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99blancoSS , I am amazed by your patience! Way to keep your cool, I would have lost it by now haha. Rest assured there are members out there that understand and value what you are selling with this package.
I think what turns some people off is that if you are going to go through the pain a cam swap, why put in a baby cam? I think the answer for those of you thinking this is MONEY. We all dream big, and all want to dump in a monster cam but honestly most don't have the funds to do it right and the end result is a car that is barely streetable and not much fun to drive. (surging, bucking, stalling)
What we have here is a cam that you can put in for some reasonable $$$, and make better power then your dog of a ride is making now without headaches and problems.
I think what turns some people off is that if you are going to go through the pain a cam swap, why put in a baby cam? I think the answer for those of you thinking this is MONEY. We all dream big, and all want to dump in a monster cam but honestly most don't have the funds to do it right and the end result is a car that is barely streetable and not much fun to drive. (surging, bucking, stalling)
What we have here is a cam that you can put in for some reasonable $$$, and make better power then your dog of a ride is making now without headaches and problems.
05-12-2008, 11:52 PM
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99blancoSS , I am amazed by your patience! Way to keep your cool, I would have lost it by now haha. Rest assured there are members out there that understand and value what you are selling with this package.
I think what turns some people off is that if you are going to go through the pain a cam swap, why put in a baby cam? I think the answer for those of you thinking this is MONEY. We all dream big, and all want to dump in a monster cam but honestly most don't have the funds to do it right and the end result is a car that is barely streetable and not much fun to drive. (surging, bucking, stalling)
What we have here is a cam that you can put in for some reasonable $$$, and make better power then your dog of a ride is making now without headaches and problems.
I think what turns some people off is that if you are going to go through the pain a cam swap, why put in a baby cam? I think the answer for those of you thinking this is MONEY. We all dream big, and all want to dump in a monster cam but honestly most don't have the funds to do it right and the end result is a car that is barely streetable and not much fun to drive. (surging, bucking, stalling)
What we have here is a cam that you can put in for some reasonable $$$, and make better power then your dog of a ride is making now without headaches and problems.
05-13-2008, 08:54 AM
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Thank you for your patience in offering this package.
I'm sure once someone tries it out more will follow. I can't wait to see actual customer reviews, track times, dyno, etc. Curious as to how well it compares to the regular LS6 Cam 204/218 .550 117.5 and GM springs.
The fact that it gains HP and doesn't require a lot of supporting mods is attractive to a lot of people I'm sure. The lift alone has to increase the HP/TQ across the entire RPM range I would think.
I'm sure once someone tries it out more will follow. I can't wait to see actual customer reviews, track times, dyno, etc. Curious as to how well it compares to the regular LS6 Cam 204/218 .550 117.5 and GM springs.
The fact that it gains HP and doesn't require a lot of supporting mods is attractive to a lot of people I'm sure. The lift alone has to increase the HP/TQ across the entire RPM range I would think.