Predator Dynos
02-21-2006, 12:14 PM
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Predator Dynos Ok these guys at Cold Fusion sent me over this pic of the dyno sheets
I'm going to direct link to it because they took a pic of all 3 together..
so this way you can view it in full size
the direct link is
Dyno Here
Don't shoot the messenger, you can direct your anger, love, questions, etc towards Albert he'll be happy to field it all lol
P.S please let me know if the image is not working for any reason
I'm going to direct link to it because they took a pic of all 3 together..
so this way you can view it in full size
the direct link is
Dyno Here
Don't shoot the messenger, you can direct your anger, love, questions, etc towards Albert he'll be happy to field it all lol
P.S please let me know if the image is not working for any reason
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02-21-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK
no a/f and different peaks on each chart.
Needless to say, this just makes me even more skeptical.
Needless to say, this just makes me even more skeptical.
02-21-2006, 08:54 PM
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The strangest thing is the fact that the preditor nozzle gave 2 completely different graphs when jetted at the same 200hp level.
Look at the preditor jetted at 200hp when compared to a TNT nozzle it peaks at 80mph, then look at the same predator nozzle again jetted at 200hp when compared to the NX nozzle it now peaks at 65MPH??? And the curves look completely different.
Albert or Scott- why is this?
Look at the preditor jetted at 200hp when compared to a TNT nozzle it peaks at 80mph, then look at the same predator nozzle again jetted at 200hp when compared to the NX nozzle it now peaks at 65MPH??? And the curves look completely different.
Albert or Scott- why is this?
02-21-2006, 08:55 PM
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Thanks for the graphs. They look just fine to me. However this information does not help in corroborating the claims made in the intoduction post. It really leaves alot to be desired towards proving better atomization and efficiency.
AF and flow rates would certainly help that if you had it.
What kind of dyno was this? I have never seen a printout quite like that.
AF and flow rates would certainly help that if you had it.
What kind of dyno was this? I have never seen a printout quite like that.
02-21-2006, 09:00 PM
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No problem guys. We are going to get a local customer or possibly a Rental and dyno at a better location.I think a DVD would be really cool. Mike mentioned it today. We like video! Give me some time and we will have some cool live feed.Or if anyone is local and wants to get some free pulls just PM me.
02-21-2006, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
What kind of dyno was this? I have never seen a printout quite like that.
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Just kidding, the nozzle does look cool, I just don't understand the claims quite yet.
02-21-2006, 09:04 PM
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They'll do some more dyno some major Very large, reputable local shops down there offered to publicly do the dynos, also Mike's offering to dyno some cars down there anyone want to test out these nozzles and get some free pulls? 860 re your comments ya got me man i wasn't there lol
02-22-2006, 12:51 AM
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Thanks for the sheet, but it doesnt show what most skeptics want to see. So how much longer again?
I also notice the same thing as 860 after he pointed it out. What is up with that?
I also notice the same thing as 860 after he pointed it out. What is up with that?
02-22-2006, 09:54 AM
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Albert, were the graphs that are posted all from the same car? If so, is it an automatic? converter? Also, the pulls look like they were started at different points, which could contribute to what Vinny at 860 is referring to. Thanks in advance Albert.
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just by looking at say 60mph on the 200hp jets the predator made like 50 more hp with the same jets and same car. how can you do that?
at 65mph youve got 325hp and over 500hp. how do you make 175 more hp at the same speed with the same jets. am i reading it wrong albert?
at 65mph youve got 325hp and over 500hp. how do you make 175 more hp at the same speed with the same jets. am i reading it wrong albert?
02-22-2006, 11:36 AM
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Inconclusive results at best. Too many unknown variables.
To really test these things accutately, what would you would need is:
A car with a forged motor, so you don't burn it up in the process, let's start with that.
A 6 speed car with a REALLY good clutch, so there is no variable in the riveline, tranny temp, fluid viscosity, converter slip, any of that stuff to skew the results.
This would all have to be done on teh same day, each kit installed and uninstalled on the car, so a few sets of hands would have to be present. I say the same day for weather consistancey.
The car would have to be completely warmed up, drive it aorund for at least 30 mintues then pull in and back it on the dyno, to insure each time the car and all fluids were up to temp, for accuracy purposes.
The tuning for the car, for whatever HP levels are going ot be tested would have to be a consistant too if these are wet kits, this way the timing for each run is the same, etc.etc and if adjustments are needed to et a consistant a/f across the board with each kit, then these are also things that should be stated.
You really need to get an unbiased shop, one that does not care who's kit htey sell, who's kit is on the car, etc.etc and get them to do it so that there's no bias with the testing. If someone wants to pony up the $ to me to have my bottom end rebuilt wuick, I'd volunteer my car for the test. But make it quick LOL, as the TH400 is going in and the 6 speed is coming out very shortly.
To really test these things accutately, what would you would need is:
A car with a forged motor, so you don't burn it up in the process, let's start with that.
A 6 speed car with a REALLY good clutch, so there is no variable in the riveline, tranny temp, fluid viscosity, converter slip, any of that stuff to skew the results.
This would all have to be done on teh same day, each kit installed and uninstalled on the car, so a few sets of hands would have to be present. I say the same day for weather consistancey.
The car would have to be completely warmed up, drive it aorund for at least 30 mintues then pull in and back it on the dyno, to insure each time the car and all fluids were up to temp, for accuracy purposes.
The tuning for the car, for whatever HP levels are going ot be tested would have to be a consistant too if these are wet kits, this way the timing for each run is the same, etc.etc and if adjustments are needed to et a consistant a/f across the board with each kit, then these are also things that should be stated.
You really need to get an unbiased shop, one that does not care who's kit htey sell, who's kit is on the car, etc.etc and get them to do it so that there's no bias with the testing. If someone wants to pony up the $ to me to have my bottom end rebuilt wuick, I'd volunteer my car for the test. But make it quick LOL, as the TH400 is going in and the 6 speed is coming out very shortly.
