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Originally Posted by Crisisman
Here's a link you all might appreciate.
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
I like that it lists the source. I also like that it notes with ** the cars whose times were with drag tires.
The fastest classic car listed with a verified street tire time is the 1963 Ramcharger at 12.0 sec.
I also like that they list both the street tire time for the new Z06 and the best recorded stock w/drag tires time.
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
I like that it lists the source. I also like that it notes with ** the cars whose times were with drag tires.
The fastest classic car listed with a verified street tire time is the 1963 Ramcharger at 12.0 sec.
I also like that they list both the street tire time for the new Z06 and the best recorded stock w/drag tires time.
Originally Posted by NWDragRacer
Yeah, at 4000 rpm.
I'd like to build a replica ZL1 motor some day. Just to see how strong it truly was and how it sang at full RPM.
If you click the little yellow square next to the entry you'll get a pop up with the story behind the ZL1. Towards the bottom it quotes one of the guys who worked on the car and put the actual peak at about 710hp. I wonder if GM will ever put out a car with more?
Originally Posted by Crisisman
If you click the little yellow square next to the entry you'll get a pop up with the story behind the ZL1. Towards the bottom it quotes one of the guys who worked on the car and put the actual peak at about 710hp. I wonder if GM will ever put out a car with more?
Too bad they wont make it for the masses.
I've read ~580HP for the ZL1, never heard of the 710 figure. Zora Arkus Duntov claimed to run 10.50's in the ZL1 with a T-400 and a 4.88 rear gear on slicks.
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7. 1969 ZL1 Camaro
1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).
E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.
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7. 1969 ZL1 Camaro
1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).
E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.
Most of the tech info is correct, I don't know specifics about production numbers though. I know the ZL1 option on the Vettes and Camaros more than doubled the sticker price.
Here's one for sale
Here's one for sale
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Considering the run-of-the-mill muscle cars of that era ran low 14s stock (Road Runners, SS396 Chevelles, Boss 429 Mustangs, etc) a low 13 sec production car was VERY fast.
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Originally Posted by kens03cobra
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7. 1969 ZL1 Camaro
1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).
E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.
The History of...
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7. 1969 ZL1 Camaro
1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).
E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.
I drove a '69 Yenko with orginal tires that with just a squeeze of the throttle at 65 on the freeway, would blaze the tires. That was the lowly little L72 425hp 427. The ZL1 had more compression and much more camshaft and weighed 300 lbs less.
If you want to learn lots about most of the wildest Supercars ever produced, take a look at Kevin Suydam's collection. He lives here in Seattle and is a hell of a nice guy. Our Camaro club has been to his home a couple of times to see his collection - drool rags not supplied.
Oh yeah, he has one of the ZL1 Corvettes and at least one ZL1 Camaro. His token F*rd is a Boss 429 car.
Originally Posted by WAHUSKER
Considering the run-of-the-mill muscle cars of that era ran low 14s stock (Road Runners, SS396 Chevelles, Boss 429 Mustangs, etc) a low 13 sec production car was VERY fast.
Originally Posted by NWDragRacer
Yes, that 's all good. Remember the tire technology that produced those 13. second runs. They were not even close to today's basic street tire.
I drove a '69 Yenko with orginal tires that with just a squeeze of the throttle at 65 on the freeway, would blaze the tires. That was the lowly little L72 425hp 427. The ZL1 had more compression and much more camshaft and weighed 300 lbs less.
If you want to learn lots about most of the wildest Supercars ever produced, take a look at Kevin Suydam's collection. He lives here in Seattle and is a hell of a nice guy. Our Camaro club has been to his home a couple of times to see his collection - drool rags not supplied.
Oh yeah, he has one of the ZL1 Corvettes and at least one ZL1 Camaro. His token F*rd is a Boss 429 car.
I drove a '69 Yenko with orginal tires that with just a squeeze of the throttle at 65 on the freeway, would blaze the tires. That was the lowly little L72 425hp 427. The ZL1 had more compression and much more camshaft and weighed 300 lbs less.
If you want to learn lots about most of the wildest Supercars ever produced, take a look at Kevin Suydam's collection. He lives here in Seattle and is a hell of a nice guy. Our Camaro club has been to his home a couple of times to see his collection - drool rags not supplied.
Oh yeah, he has one of the ZL1 Corvettes and at least one ZL1 Camaro. His token F*rd is a Boss 429 car.
My best friend had a 68 Chevelle ss396 M21 car that would smoke em on the freeway, after a Dick Ewing rebuild of it that is. Ewing also did the 283 in my Chevelle. This was back in the early 80's. Roarke was doing my tranny's back then too. That was good times. Cruising in Everett and Lake City. Street racing on River Road in the Snohomish flats and the old Boeing access highway.
His sig is BULL ****!!
No low 12's for him stock, sorry
No low 12's for him stock, sorry
Kevin Suydam is a cool guy...with a REDICULOUS collection...he had his '69 Yenko Nova at the Supercar Reunion a couple years ago.
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I agree low 13's was very very fast back then, and still is for stock. I can easily see them getting deep into the 12's with just better tires. Not sure about polyglass tires tho?
I am glad you all agree with the technical stuff in there, that is basically what I was going off of.
And like the new Z06, I would also drive a Yenko..again, blue please
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I am glad you all agree with the technical stuff in there, that is basically what I was going off of.
And like the new Z06, I would also drive a Yenko..again, blue please
Ken
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Originally Posted by kens03cobra
His sig is BULL ****!!
No low 12's for him stock, sorry
No low 12's for him stock, sorry
- Your vast number of dragstrip passes
- You know Rob (Chevy454) personally
- You've had a number of passes in a Yenko 427 car
- You own a Yenko and race it
- You drive a F*ord
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Originally Posted by NWDragRacer
Ken, you're an expert because;
- Your vast number of dragstrip passes
- You know Rob (Chevy454) personally
- You've had a number of passes in a Yenko 427 car
- You own a Yenko and race it
- You drive a F*ord
I agree low 13's was very very fast back then, and still is for stock. I can easily see them getting deep into the 12's with just better tires. Not sure about polyglass tires tho?
I am glad you all agree with the technical stuff in there, that is basically what I was going off of.
And like the new Z06, I would also drive a Yenko..again, blue please
I am glad you all agree with the technical stuff in there, that is basically what I was going off of.
And like the new Z06, I would also drive a Yenko..again, blue please
And I see you're in West Virginia? That is *PRIME* Yenko country...lots of miners came up to Pennsylvania to pick up there Yenko cars, and there were also lots of dealers in the Yenko network in the surrounding area as well. And blue is a killer color on a Yenko...we're lucky enough to have a '69 Yenko 427 Nova that is LeMans blue w/white stripes, and we get lots of compliments on the color.
http://www.exoticcarsite.com/0-60-qu...mile-times.htm
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Here is another story...
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Perfect-Camaro&id=140673
Here is a 12.70 one
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
These are just maqazine test, there are articles I have here in my house from old magazines with guys running 11's in stock trim on Bias ply tires.
These cars were way underated.
Scroll down to Chevrolet
Here is another story...
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Perfect-Camaro&id=140673
Here is a 12.70 one
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
These are just maqazine test, there are articles I have here in my house from old magazines with guys running 11's in stock trim on Bias ply tires.
These cars were way underated.
Last edited by My1st Truck; Jan 18, 2007 at 07:46 PM.