Here Chebby Chebby
This is a fun thread as we all seem to like to flip ****, some more than others (mikie)
You got the hog on the juice too, Damn Robert, what have you done to the riding mower
My wing is not too slow, but also not sprayed. Just K&N and aftermarket exhaust....I can feel the slight diff in torque for sure tho...
Let me just throw a turbo or two on the L and we can play
You have the advantage of driving a plastic car, my **** is metal and heavy
Ken
I still feel a stock c5 Z06 is a close match for a stock 03 term...I have not seen any stock z's in the 11's, close maybe, but not without a lil help from tires and CAI at a minimum.
did you say you wanna spot me 6 lenghts? who would win that one Mikie?
This is a fun thread as we all seem to like to flip ****, some more than others (mikie)
You got the hog on the juice too, Damn Robert, what have you done to the riding mower
My wing is not too slow, but also not sprayed. Just K&N and aftermarket exhaust....I can feel the slight diff in torque for sure tho...
Let me just throw a turbo or two on the L and we can play
You have the advantage of driving a plastic car, my **** is metal and heavy
Ken
I still feel a stock c5 Z06 is a close match for a stock 03 term...I have not seen any stock z's in the 11's, close maybe, but not without a lil help from tires and CAI at a minimum.
did you say you wanna spot me 6 lenghts? who would win that one Mikie?

My bosses wing is all stripped down and he's done some custom mods. Her's a pic.
Here's the bonestock Z06 fast list:
Z06 BoneStock Times
1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod-------'02
2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger------'02 11/03 Slip
3--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-----'0x
4--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP------'04 03/04
5--
6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer '02
7--12.048 @ 115.92--1.866--pwrshfd-----'02 12/03
8--12.08x @ 115.95--1.83x--Pray---------'02 01/06
9--12.09x @ xxx.xx --1.79x--UVETTA------'03
10-12.205 @ 117.96--1.91x--Nat04Z06----'04
11-12.21x @ 112.xx--1.87x--Blue Angel---'02 07/04
12-12.227 @ 115.09--2.011--ZR WON------'01 04/04
13-12.22x @ xxx.xx --1.77x--holedgr-------'02
14-12.25x @ 117.xx--1.xxx --J Z06 --------'04 05/06
15-12.2xx @ 1xx.xx --2.xxx --My1stZ ------'03
Here's the Stock DR/CAI only list: (note who is at #7
)Z06 CAI and DOT Tire Times (drag radial and bias ply)
1--11.529 @ 120.21--1.641--Ranger------'02 11/04-HT CAI, 17" BFG Slip Video
2--11.596 @ 118.53--1.675--J-Rod --------'02 xx/xx --ZipTie, ET Street BP
3--11.5xx @ 118.xx --1.67x--fergy flyer ---'02 02/05--CAI, DR
4--11.656 @ 117.75--1.671--eb02z06------'02 10/02--VT CAI Slip
5--11.659 @ 116.97--1.645--PowerShifter -'0x 10/02--CAI, DR
6--11.694 @ 116.56--1.65x--BLU BY U -----'02 12/02--VR CAI, BFG DR
7--11.711 @ 115.53--1.653--Robert56 -----'02 06/05--VR CAI, 18" BFG DR Slip
8--11.756 @ 116.87--1.66x--Steve Row ----'0x xx/xx --CAI, DR
9--11.82x @ 118.8x--1.77x--Butcher-------'02 10/02--HT CAI
10-11.850 @ 116.42--1.668--427CPE-------'02 06/05--DR
11-11.88x @ 118.xx --1.7xx--mike c. -------'0x 10/05--ET Street
12-11.930 @ 113.98--1.702--L98Terror-----'03 10/05--VR CAI, DR
13-11.93x @ 116.90--1.xxx --zular ---------'0x xx/xx --CAI
14-11.942 @ 114.78--1.675--dr.juice-------'03 07/05--ET Street
15-11.945 @ 117.71--1.xxx--phantasms ----'0x xx/xx --ZipTie
16-11.947 @ 116.65--1.823--Ranger -------'01 12/01--HT CAI, BFG DR Slip
17-11.949 @ 117.61--1.xxx --Z06addikt ----'0x xx/xx --CAI, DR
18-11.957 @ 114.12--1.709--BMX----------'02 11/06--BW CAI, "17 ET St
19-11.965 @ 118.36--1.869--TransAmGT---'03 01/07--Zip Tie, BFG DR Slip
20-11.966 @ 116.81--1.747--Cyric ---------'03 10/05--CAI, DR
21-11.97x @ 117.97--1.74x--BlueZ06-------'03 xx/xx --CAI, DR
22-11.97x @ 117.97--1.74x--COUTO1981---'03 xx/xx --DR
23-11.988 @ 115.98--1.851--Gary2004Z06--'04 12/06--KN Filter
24-11.998 @ 116.95--1.810--Kamil ---------'03 11/06--ZT Mod, 18" BFG DR Slip
25-12.01x @ 114.74--1.864--Rooster ------'02 11/06--Kuhmos
26-12.032 @ 115.26--1.902--jlking---------'02 04/06--ZipTie, NT DR
27-12.049 @ 117.4x--1.900--rbartick-------'02 11/03--CAI
28-12.055 @ 114.54--1.748--m1key03Z06--'03 03/06--CAI, DR
29-12.074 @ 117.88--1.887--purvis --------'02 03/06--DR
30-12.07x @ 114.14--1.80x--MVR 155------'02 10/05--CAI
31-12.10x @ 116.xx--1.8xx--CamaroSS621 -'02 xx/xx--VR CAI, DR
32-12.135 @ 113.45--1.797-TransAm2002--'03 11/06--VR CAI, NT DR
33-12.16x @ 116.49--1.90x--MMC1---------'03 06/06--VR CAI
34-12.18x @ 114.78--1.81x--silverbullet2005 xx xx/xx--BFG DR
35-12.20x @ 118.00--1.xxx--ChicagoZ06----'02 xx/xx--CAI, DR
36-12.20x @ 116.2x--2.12x--NOYZEE-------'02 04/06--BW CAI
37-12.269 @ 115.38--1.877--KrisR----------'02 xx/xx--DR
38-12.280 @ 116.07--1.964--Mike69--------'01 xx/xx--CAI Video
Not too many people keep their Z06's bone stock. I took a couple passes and decided DRs were a must. Did 1/2 dozen passes with DRs and decided spray...
It's all in good fun.
Robert
Last edited by Robert56@NitrousDirect; Mar 5, 2007 at 10:12 PM.
Most stock 12 second runs are Internet only, not real. Definately not in the 11's STOCK.
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/foru...ad.php?t=43336
Ken
edit- also on Z06vette.com they are saying the same thing. there are a few that have claimed high 12's stock, but nothing close to 11's. what gives?
Last edited by kens03cobra; Mar 6, 2007 at 07:29 AM.
Most stock 12 second runs are Internet only, not real. Definately not in the 11's STOCK.
I've met Robert, he is in fact real.
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I've met Robert, he is in fact real.
I am sure Robert is real and sounds like a very nice guy.
He ran an 11.7 with a few minor mods, hows does J-rod run an 11.7 bone stock?
I know the cars are fast, just think we are talking bone stock, ie off the showroom floor.. I don't see testimony to too many of them hitting the 11's that way.
Most stock 12 second runs are Internet only, not real. Definately not in the 11's STOCK.
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/foru...ad.php?t=43336
Ken
edit- also on Z06vette.com they are saying the same thing. there are a few that have claimed high 12's stock, but nothing close to 11's. what gives?
By the way, a standard c5 Vette is in no way shape or form comparable to the Mighty Z06/ls6/M12, too different animals.
The C6 bonestock list is showing many in the low 12's, so there's more competion for the stangs.
How did J-Rod run that time, he is a great driver. Remember my time was on only my 5TH pass, and last time at drags running non nitrous, so I could do better, I think. But now I have a new goal, and that's to re gain #1 in power adders class (bottom of sig). Ranger had a couple hundred passes to get his great times, so it's not real easy but doable, and you must be a great stick driver.
Here is the link, it's a sticky in the Z06 section of C5 at vetteforum. Check second post for list. However, in first post is the link to the original thread and where it all started. You can also click on the blue high lights to see slips and or videos where available. Read the old thread, there was a few sceptics, but they got their azz's handed to them.
Z06 Fast list and threads
I can also link ya to the Z06 stock longblock with any power adder thread?
Robert
He ran an 11.7 with a few minor mods, hows does J-rod run an 11.7 bone stock?
I know the cars are fast, just think we are talking bone stock, ie off the showroom floor.. I don't see testimony to too many of them hitting the 11's that way.
Robert
Robert
I'm just talking about a friendly heads up drag race. Bike is bone stock powerwise save for -1 tooth up front, slip on exhaust (noise maker) and a 40 shot.
Robert
By the way, a standard c5 Vette is in no way shape or form comparable to the Mighty Z06/ls6/M12, too different animals.
The C6 bonestock list is showing many in the low 12's, so there's more competion for the stangs.
How did J-Rod run that time, he is a great driver. Remember my time was on only my 5TH pass, and last time at drags running non nitrous, so I could do better, I think. But now I have a new goal, and that's to re gain #1 in power adders class (bottom of sig). Ranger had a couple hundred passes to get his great times, so it's not real easy but doable, and you must be a great stick driver.
Here is the link, it's a sticky in the Z06 section of C5 at vetteforum. Check second post for list. However, in first post is the link to the original thread and where it all started. You can also click on the blue high lights to see slips and or videos where available. Read the old thread, there was a few sceptics, but they got their azz's handed to them.
Z06 Fast list and threads
I can also link ya to the Z06 stock longblock with any power adder thread?
Robert
The list came from corvette forum, also posted by you. I should let this drop as I am clearly not going to win this one, but
For the record, I highly doubt a STOCK STOCK STOCK Z06 runs 11's. That is what we are talking about here. I know the Z'6 are diff animals than a normal C5, we are talking Z's here. And I also know there can be drastic changes depending on who is driving and how they are driving.
Show me one car mag or legit test where a stock c5 Z runs 11's. Not just some dude at the track with zip tie mods, perhaps a better clutch, yadayadayada... I aint that stupid...
Here is another quote from a car site talking about STOCK Z's
The foundation of Corvette's agile handling is hydro-formed frame rails. Its four-wheel independent front suspension features cast aluminum upper and lower A-arms. The Z06 and models equipped with the available Z51 package now have aluminum front stabilizer bar links for lighter weight. The rear suspension has a transverse leaf spring system. Z06 and Z16, great Chevrolet Corvettes, LS6, 6 speed power. C5 Z06's and Z16's available in the years 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004 only.
The 20bhp added compared to the 2000 Corvette Z06 makes the 2002 Z06 is the quickest production Corvette ever built. This upgrade to the LS6 engine’s output is the result of new hollow stem valves, a higher-lift camshaft, a low restriction mass air flow (MAF) sensor and a new low restriction air cleaner design. Eliminating the PUP converter from the exhaust system enables better flow of spent gasses and reduces vehicle weight, without compromising Corvette’s NLEV (National Low Emission Vehicle) status.
The second-generation Active Handling system comes as standard equipment. The system features dynamic rear brake proportioning to prevent rear wheel lockup, and rear brake stability control to assist the driver in maintaining control under light braking and high acceleration conditions. It also has integral traction control calibrated to allow drivers to experience the Corvette’s power and handling while controlling excessive wheel spin. The system’s on/off switch and Competitive Mode enables drivers to disengage the traction control feature without giving up Active Handling’s other benefits. The Corvette’s Head-Up Display (HUD) projects vehicle speed and many other gauges digitally on the windshield ahead of the steering wheel, enabling drivers to keep their eyes on the road.
"When you hear customers talking about wanting more power, what they really mean is that they want more torque. It's torque that gets you going, whether launching from a standstill, or accelerating out of a corner. At 385, last year's Z06 was already in an elite class. For 2002, we've upped the ante with another 15 pounds-feet of torque, for a total of 400 pounds-feet at 4,800 rpm. The result is one that must be experienced to be appreciated,"
The Z06 will continue to be outfitted with the unique six-speed manual transmission for 2002.
It will enable skilled drivers to achieve 0-60 mph times of 3.9 seconds and to cover a quarter mile in 12.4 seconds at 116 mph. By comparison, the 2001 power-train combination achieved 0-60 mph in 4.0 seconds and the quarter mile in 12.6 seconds at 114 mph.
"We realize that the Z06 is not for everyone. But, for the extreme performance enthusiasts, the race-bred Z06 provides them with a vehicle that challenges the threshold of performance and handling, with absolutely no compromises."
I love ya man, and I believe your car is fast, and I believe STOCK c5 z's run 12's, WITH A SKILLED DRIVER NO LESS. as stated above.
This is like me digging up some posts from old forums with guys saying they ran 11's STOCK in a cobra, aint gonna happen.
Last edited by kens03cobra; Mar 6, 2007 at 09:51 PM.
Here it is, the Rag that ran a 11 sec time bone stock. You probably would doubt the new Z06 Fast Times also, hehehehehe, you'll never catch us.
You can see the time at top of mag pic, then lower on page you can see the bonestock and time report. I have the rag if ya want me to scan complete article.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...toc/index.html
Robert
Edit: See my next post for the article in all it's glory.
Last edited by Robert56@NitrousDirect; Mar 6, 2007 at 11:11 PM.
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Chevy's '04 Z06 does 11s bone stock--and so much more
By Rick Jensen
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Any automotive engineer has probably forgotten more than I know about cars, but this I know for sure: It's not good seeing a roadway's broken white line from the passenger-side window.
On a dreary March day, the fates threw together Chevy's press fleet 2004 Z06 Corvette, Jersey's rain-slicked Garden State Parkway, and GMHTP's "Stick Shift" Steve Baur for an ironic game of "Kill The Sober On St. Patrick's Day." You see, this business takes all kinds--some folks you can control, and others, well, you can only hope to contain. Baur comes replete with ****-star good looks and quite possibly the most FUBAR Floridian lingo known to man.
Disturbing, yes--but not immediately harmful to others. But when a guy continually works "putting it on the wood" and "I gave him 4500 worth of team Magnaflow" into normal conversation, flipping him the keys to a 3000-pound, 405-horsepower rocket on a rainy day will make for some serious aftermath. There are people in this world with restraint, and there are guys who yank the E-brake in traffic. Baur's penchant for powershifting anything from that steaming turd Blue Thunder on up is legendary, but I figured that this East Coast monsoon would keep his twitchy right foot at bay. I was wrong.
So there we were, post-tollbooth, with our Machine Silver Z06's tach streaking toward six grand and the gearshift lever heading for Third, when the Goodyear Supercars broke off their highly desirable relationship with the wet asphalt. The nose jerked left, the *** end went right, my sheriff's badge puckered, and I got a great look at a sharp-edged metal guardrail and lots of trees. Hope company medical has death benefits...
So began seven days of delirious stupidity with the baddest ride to ever wear the crossed flags, the Corvette Z06. If possible, we'd spend hours waxing poetic about all of the technology loaded into this steal of a supercar (the death-defying Active Handling system comes to mind), but a week spent dealing with this puppy's monumental g-forces has curdled our short-term memory like a double-barrel bong hit. This is the first new GM vehicle I'm proud to say that I could easily kill myself in--and that, my friends, is a good thing.
Let's talk acceleration. Every auto enthusiast worth his salt drives a "fast" car, so we all have a basic understanding of how it feels. But GM Powertrain mixed up some serious hoodoo when they mated the super-geared M12 6-speed to a pushrod motor capable of 6500 revs, then dropped it into the automotive equivalent of Lura Flynn Boyle. (We knew the Corvette brand team was a degenerate bunch of racers when we first heard about the Z06's thinner windshield and lighter battery and exhaust for weight savings. Our tester also featured the new-for-'04 carbon-fiber hood, and weighed in at 3074 pounds--with half a tank of gas!) From 3500 rpm to above six grand, the LS6's pull is so violent that it feels as if it will pull the front of the car off, leaving you dumbfoundedly stranded in the middle of the road. This Einstein-on-acid space/time warp is so brutal that it incites giddiness: I seriously started to imagine what Captain Kirk felt like when the Enterprise hauled ***--and I hate Star Trek.
"This thing is stupid fast", "It rips", and "Holy *****, what a car" echoed off of the office walls--from the MM&FF crew no less. Corvette brand team: when you get die-hard Ford fanatics to start talking about going to a GM dealership, you've obviously done something right. Now it was time to put some hard numbers to those exclamations.
1/4-MILE
You can only go 135 on East Coast roads for so long before you end up either in jail or dead, so a trip to Englishtown was set to really probe the Z06's limits. On March 22, the GMHTP crew converged on Raceway Park to find 50-degree temps, a 30.00 barometer, and low humidity--racin' weather. Baur drove the 'Vette in, slapped a couple of ice bags on the LS6's intake, and called it good; the Gen. III doesn't need you to fuss over it for optimum power. In fact, previous LS1/LS6 tests showed that trap speeds actually responded favorably with a bit of heat in the alloy mill. Thirty minutes later the track was prepped, and Steve strapped up the Simpson brain hanger and got that explosive titanium exhaust flowing. One smoky burnout later, the silver Z06 crept into RP's right lane and up to the tree. The revs climbed to 3200 and the tree dropped...
On paper, Run 1 was a throwaway: Baur aggressively slipped the clutch and hopped to a 1.98 60-foot, and the lightning-quick revs of the LS6 smacked into the limiter in First and Second. But the clocks begged to differ--after all that, they lit up with a 12.29 at 117.03--unbelievable. One blurted-out expletive later and the 'Vette was back for a hot-lap. The LS6 was just getting warmed up and it showed, with an identical launch rpm and less clutch slip, a better 1.96 60-foot, and three solid gear changes leading to a 12.16 at 117.84 miles an hour.
Forty minutes later, Baur tried a new approach: getting the clutch out a little quicker meant less of a chance for wheelhop. The same 3200-rpm launch resulted in a slight bog, but the 1.94 sixty was an improvement. The Englishtown headwind let us know that all gears were changed cleanly, and seconds later a 12.03 at 117.83 flashed.
At this point the excitement was starting to build--three consecutive runs had dropped the ET down three tenths, and we felt that there was even more left in it. During the 20-minute cooldown, we decided to get a little more aggressive with the launch; the catch was that the IRS couldn't take too much more power, and with wheelhop still a threat we'd have to find the perfect point between slip and bog. Not this time: Steve left at 3200 again, but attempts to aggressively slip the clutch resulted in massive wheelhop and a 2.06 60-foot. The 12.21 ET at 117.73 put us back to square one, and with the track starting to go away, we wondered if there would be any bettering the 12.03.
Baur immediately pulled around for another go. The clutch was hot, the coolant temp was 200 plus, and the first 60 feet of traction had seen better days. What the Z06 did next flies in the face of conventional racer wisdom, and cements it in the annals of GM lore: A light-slip launch got the clutch out quick enough to avoid wheelhop, and the 'Vette shot to a 1.90 60-foot. The 6-speed was manhandled through Second and Third, with the silver missile screaming through the eighth-mile clocks at an astounding 7.80 at 94mph. And once in Fourth, the 3074-pound badass broke through the 11-second barrier, running 11.97 at 118.80.
Eleven ninety-seven--that's a tough number to fathom. Even more so because this thing was dead stock. We didn't pull the air filter. ****, we didn't even check the tire pressure! And it is so easy to drive fast. Only two parts of the Z06 Drag Race Experience are cause for concern: the IRS doesn't care for a lot of clutch slip; rather, it prefers the driver to keep the revs up and let the clutch out fast. And a 1-2 powershift can be dicey without optimum traction--this thing makes hella power and will go skating across lanes. Otherwise, looking like a drag-race hero is cake in the Z06--my automatic-driving *** pulled a 1.89 60-foot en route to a 12.10 at 116 on my first run! Several more passes were made that afternoon, but 11.97 stands as the best. Incidentally, the radar gun was hooked up to record some 0-60 times, and even with approximately 50 percent of the track's original grip left, it only took the Corvette 3.91 seconds to get there.
BRAKING
E-Town's 1/4-mile strip was also our brake-testing venue, although the 100-0 and 60-0 testing was cut short due to radar equipment malfunctions. But let it be known that with Baur behind the wheel, the best 100-0 stop came in at 317 feet. The Z06 also recorded multiple 117-foot 60-0 readings. Brake fade came into play only slightly, and Steve touted the 12.6-inch front/11.8-inch rear brakes and the quick-cycling ABS system for sucking the 'Vette to the pavement while providing drama-free panic stops. It doesn't get more effortless than this.
SKIDPAD
The Real-World Skidpad was in rough shape the day the Z06 came to play. The harsh Jersey winter really beat on the E-Town asphalt, and we had a few new dips and chunks of pavement to deal with besides the usual nails, wingnuts, etc. Regardless, the 200-foot circle was marked off with orange cones, the G-Analyst computer was hooked up and calibrated, and we were off. It was immediately clear that the FE4 suspension, with huge 30mm front/23mm rear stabilizer bars and ultra-gooey 265/40/17 front and 295/35/18 rear Goodyear Supercar tires, was in its element. Baur and I both made two three-lap clockwise/counter-clockwise runs, and even before we saw the results we knew that something special had just happened. Its steering weighting is magical--light at low speeds and progressively heavier once it is pushed. The car refused to give up its tenacious grip on the less-than-perfect asphalt, offering up only a bit of understeer and a slight squeal as the Supercars started to slide around the cones at high gs. At no point in the test, no matter how hard we pushed it, did the Corvette lose its balanced handling characteristics, and it took a hard whomp of the gas pedal to spin the car. In checking with the G-Analyst, the Z06 turned in .98g going clockwise, and a brain-sloshing 1.02g counter-clockwise reading, for a cool bi-directional average of 1.00g.
Ok then, can we at least go with that is a fluke, rarity, and is it safe to say most all actually run 12's with a good driver on a good day..
with that said, what can we squabble about now?
BTW, what did the 04 Z sticker for? 52K?
I feel pretty damn confident for less than 18K added to my Cobra I could run circles around you on the curves as well as the 1/4.
now take that
Dayum, I love this fourm, you guys are OK..even if you do drive chebby's
Ken

As long as that 18K includes moving the engine back to where the driver sits to help out the extreme nose heavy condition that Cobra's suffer from, and replace that crappy stock IRS that Cobra's have with something a little better .... like from a C5, and also you'll need to drop about 700 lbs from the total weight of that pig !
It's been fun !

