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Old 05-01-2005, 05:48 PM
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I started logging the wideband for VE tuning and noticed that the HPtuners is showing A/F .2 more than actual. If innovate says 13.0 HPT says 12.8. What causes this?
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Are you using the ground wire on the pigtail
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What is the sampling rate of HPT interface? The LM-1 provides 12 readings per second.


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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
Are you using the ground wire on the pigtail
Yeah its grounded...the reading changes VERY fast. Not sure what to think, the only way to really monitor it is log it.
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You have to specify the LM1 output transfer curve
and the HPTuners input transfer curve. Are they
identical? Do they agree at (say) 15.0:1 any
better, or are they offset by the same amount
across the band (that would indicate a ground
offset)?

To maximize the accuracy you might want to set
the LM1 output / HPTuners input to "throw away"
range you're not using - for example, why make
0-5V represent 10.0-20.0:1 AFR if you are well
enough tuned and don't care about anything
outside 11:1 - 16:1? Then the same voltage
range represents with 2X greater accuracy the
AFR.

But do check the LM1 and HPTuners cal curves,
I know the LM1 likes to round down my endpoint
AFR represented and maybe there's a bit slipped
here & there.
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
You have to specify the LM1 output transfer curve
and the HPTuners input transfer curve. Are they
identical? Do they agree at (say) 15.0:1 any
better, or are they offset by the same amount
across the band (that would indicate a ground
offset)?

To maximize the accuracy you might want to set
the LM1 output / HPTuners input to "throw away"
range you're not using - for example, why make
0-5V represent 10.0-20.0:1 AFR if you are well
enough tuned and don't care about anything
outside 11:1 - 16:1? Then the same voltage
range represents with 2X greater accuracy the
AFR.

But do check the LM1 and HPTuners cal curves,
I know the LM1 likes to round down my endpoint
AFR represented and maybe there's a bit slipped
here & there.

How fast should the numbers change for the wideband in the HPtuners table display? My numbers cycle soo fast you can't accurately read them.
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Mine cycle fast and I have a Zeitronix.
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FWIW 02 sensor readings change quickly but the PCM uses them for fuel calculations.




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