Skeetwya

I believe there were 2. But they were test dummies or mules... Not available to the public

98_1LE

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One of them was owned by a dude named Robert that had an '89 TTA also. I am 99% on that.

JohnnyBs98WS6Rag

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Yep, there were 2 '98 T/As that didn't have the CC1/DE4 RPOs that would indicate they had T-tops installed. They were not WS6s though.

HT LS1 WS6s (Formulas):

1998:
Total: 39
w/ M6: 29

1999:
Total: 68
w/ M6: 52

2000:
Total: 91
w/ M6: 61

Links to detailed breakdowns in sig.

Tipnitty

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Damn that's clean.

Skeetwya

I don't even know if you were talking to me... But thanks dude =)

Skeetwya

Tipnitty, not sure if you were talking to me, but thanks dude =)

Streetlegal?

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I am going to be picking up another WS6 vert next weekend. I know there are older threads where people were able to get their build numbers and whatnot but the people who you are supposed to pm have not been on in years.

Where would I go about, or who should I talk to to get that information? From what I have determined from the production number breakdowns the car is 1 of 13 and I wanted to get some more of the build information

JohnnyBs98WS6Rag

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If you are picking up a '98 WS6 that isn't red or black, I can probably help you find the ASC#. In fact, shoot me a PM w/ the VIN of that SILVER (pewter?) '98 WS6 'vert in your sig and I can look that one up too.

Streetlegal?

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It's not a 98. The one I am picking up is a 99 NBM I'll pm you though

ethantedw

Hey guys getting my first Fourth Gen next week and I couldn't be more excited about it. She's a beaut, and I've tried my best doing research on her. From what I've found I've lucked out and found a rare bird!

She's a 1995 Md Dk Purple Met (O5U) Trans Am, from what I've gathered there were 2885 cars made that year in that color, with only 5 of those being Trans Am's (Not Formula, V6, or a Firehawk). Can anybody please confirm/correct this for me? Also any other information on the car would be greatly appreciated!

Also I've spent hours on this forum looking for the info so that I wouldnt have to ask... If this has been answered before please provide me with the link!

Paul Bell

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Hey Ethan, welcome to LS1tech!

There's a sticky that shows the production breakdowns through the years.

JohnnyBs98WS6Rag

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There were a total of 446 T/A coupes built in '95 w/ RPO 05U Md Dk Purple Met. Of those, only 5 had RPO R6V, which is supposed to be the RPO for Firehawks that year. What is odd about that is that all Firehawks were supposed to be Formulas that year. So why some T/As got the R6V RPO is confusing. But unless your T/A has RPO R6V, yours is one of the 446.

ethantedw

Unfortunately mine does not have the RPO R6V, I came to realize that when the seller of the car sent me a picture of the service parts identification sticker. Still, 1 of 446 is still pretty cool. I also found that of the over 13K Trans Am coupes that year, only 717 had this cars interior option (Graphite Cloth 12B/12D with the luxury reclining seats AQ9), so with that and the fact that their were only 446 purple cars that year, I'd say its still a cool find.

frapjap

Can you guys help me out? I've been searching like crazy, but can't find much information on the production of MBM cars. The jist of the info I've found is this:

A color that was only produced in '99'. Pontiac production numbers state that there were only 157 Trans Am Coupes produced in MBM. On checking vin number rarity I've found that only 35 of the 157 came with the 6 speed Manual Transmission. The MBM was Not offered with the WS6 Package.

My car is a '99 MBM convertible with the LS1/T56 combo.
I ran a VIN check on the Comp Nine website and found that 91 convertible cars had the MBM color. However, I'm unable to figure out how many of those, or what percentage of those came with a 6MT. Can you guys help me out? I didn't really realize the car was a rare bird (pun inadvertently intended) until researching the color. Results of the search are below.

RPO Description Matches
UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER) GA(UB3) 3,274
UK3 ELECTRONIC SYSTEM,ACCESSORY CONTROL ELEK ACSRY CONT SYS(UK3) 3,274
U75 ANTENNA,POWER(CHROME) PWR ANT(U75) 3,274
VM3 LABEL INFORMATION CONSUMER, CONTAINS BPR IMP STANDARD FOR FRT 5 MPH & RR 5 MPH 5 MPH BUMPER INFO LABEL(VM3) 2,412
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 3,274
WS9 MODEL CONVERSION FORMULA(MERCHANDISING OPTION) FORMULA(WS9) 2,029
X2O ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM OPTION M ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM(X20) 2,865
Y84 TRANS AM GTA OPTION(MERCHANDISING OPTION) TRANS AM GTA(Y84) 2,029
1SA PACKAGE-OPTION 01 (1SA) 3,273
14I INTERIOR TRIM LT GRAY (14I) 1,883
143 TRIM COMBINATION,LEATHER, LT GRAY (143) 489
20U EXTERIOR COLOR,SATURN BLUE (20U) 91
41T VINYL TOP COLOR,BLACK (41T) 1,851
6ZM COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6ZM) SUSP(6ZM) 2,029
7ZM COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7ZM) SUSP(7ZM) 2,029
8TJ COMPONENT RR LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (8TJ) SUSP(8TJ) 2,628
9TJ COMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (9TJ) SUSP(9TJ) 2,628
AAA Unknown 2,858
AG1 ADJUSTER FRT ST POWER, MULTI-DIRECTIONAL, DRIVER MULTI-DIRECTIONAL PWR D/SEAT ADJR(AG1) 3,274
AK5 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT,INFLATABLE,DRIVER AND PASSENGER DRIVER & PASS F/SEAT INFL RST SYS(AK5) 3,274
AR9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,MANUAL RECLINING(EUROPEAN STYLE) MAN RECL FRT BKT ST,DELUXE(AR9) 1,568
BBS **** SHIFTER HURST HURST SHIFTER(BBS) 236
C60 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,MANUAL CONTROLS A/C MAN CONT(C60) 3,274
DG7 MIRROR,OUTSIDE,RH & LH REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC(PAINTED) O/S ELEC R/CON PAINTED MIR(DG7) 3,274
DL5 DECAL ROADSIDE SERVICE INFORMATION ROADSIDE SERVICE INFO DECAL(DL5) 2,858
FE2 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,RIDE AND HANDLING RIDE & HANDLING SUSP(FE2) 1,027
GU6 AXLE,REAR,3.42 RATIO 3.42R(GU6) 880
G80 AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80) 2,416
IP3 TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IP3) 780
J65 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC 4-WHL DISC BRK(J65) 3,274
K43 GENERATOR 102 AMP 102 AMP(K43) 2,029
LS1 ENGINE GAS, 8 CYL, 5.7L, SFI, ALUMINUM ENGINE 5.7G(LS1) 2,029
MM6 TRANSMISSION MAN 6 SPD, BORG WARNER, 85MM, 1ST 2.66, 6TH 0.50, O/D 6-SPD M/TRANS(MM6) 528
MN6 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 6-SPEED PROVISIONS(MERCHANDISING OPTION) 6-SPD M/TRANS PROVISIONS(MN6) 528
NB7 EMISSION SYSTEM CALIFORNIA, TLEV TLEV CALIF EMIS(NB7) 566
NG1 EMISSION CERTIFICATION,GEOGRAPHICALLY RESTRICTED CERTIFICATION RESTRICTED EMIS CERTIFICATION(NG1) 392
NP5 STEERING WHEEL,LEATHER WRAPPED LEATHER WRAPPED STRG WHL(NP5) 3,274
NW9 TRACTION CONTROL ELECTRONIC ELEC TRACTION CONT(NW9) 1,780
PA6 WHEEL,STYLED(PAINTED) STYLED PAINTED WHL(PA6) 281
QFZ TIRE ALL P245/50ZR16 BW R/PE ST TL AL3 TIRE(QFZ) 483
R9P CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 90 2,679
R9Z CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO.100 501
STE PLANT CODE- ST THERESE, PQ, GM OF CANADA ST THERESE,GM OF CANADA PLANT CODE(STE) 3,274
T78 HEADLAMPS CONTROL DELETE T78) 2,870

JohnnyBs98WS6Rag

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The breakdown linked in my sig shows that there were 24 '99 T/A 'verts built w/ 20U MBM. I did not break those down by transmission (wishing I had), but going from the % of '99 T/A 'verts w/ M6s (26%), its possible that only 6-7 were MBM.

The 91 MBM 'verts reported by CompNine include the V6 Firebirds. I haven't used CompNine since they began charging $$ to access their database, but prior to that they used to allow you to "filter" the search for "rarity" by RPO which, if they still allow that, may be a way for you to figure out exactly how many '99 MBM T/A 'verts had the M6 trans.

Regardless, you have a sweet car in a rare and attractive color. PLEASE POST PICS!

Paul Bell

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24 Trans Am convertibles were in MBM. There is no breakdown of transmissions for coupe or convertible cars, only for "more special" vehicles.

There was ONE MBM Firehawk convertible made, the rarest of all MBM Firebirds.

Paul Bell

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Yes, let's see some pics!

frapjap

I gave them the $5 for 5 cars deal. However, they don't have the 'rarity' or 'filter' option anymore- much to my dismay- which is why I paid them in the first place. Go figure.

So with your combined information, it can be assumed that:
At 3274 convertibles built and 2029 were Trans Ams? 91 were "Saturn blue" so 91/2029 is .045 or 4.5%. It looks like 528 had the T56. 528/2029 is .260 or 26%. It’s tough to say how many "Saturn blue" T56 cars were made, but statistically speaking, .045*.260 = .0117 or just over a 1% chance, and that equals about 24 cars. (or 91 are blue, 26% of those have the T56, 91*.26 = about 24. Love when the math works out! It sounds like I may have 1 of possibly 2 convertibles with the T56.
Thank you for your link to the spreadsheet- I didn't come across that in my search.
You may be able to add me into your highlighted "1's" on the spreadsheet.

Still though, I'd love to have that solitary MBM Firehawk.

Is there a reason that the color is referred to as "saturn blue?"

I saw a dealership with an MBM Trans Am convertible with a T56 and got all giddy. If the car had been any other color, I probably would not have cared, but since I really love the color, and have never seen another one in a convertible with a manual transmission, I knew I had to act.

This was a one owner vehicle with 109,000 miles. The previous owner bought it around the age of 61 and died this past February. It is mint. Always garage kept, every panel is straight, the top is still fuzzy soft, none of the lettering on any of the buttons has worn off, no rust anywhere, is all original, and even came with the FSM's in the trunk and a bit of service records. The leather is still supple, metallic paint is incredibly shiny, and the car rides and drives like a dream. Its as close to new as I was ever going to get.

I'm looking forwards to enjoying the car as it is. I might add a catback exhaust for a little grunt and potentially a power tune from HP tuners, but otherwise, I'm leaving her alone and am going to enjoy as it was built and continue taking excellent care of her.
Here's the photos!

JohnnyBs98WS6Rag

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Beautiful car. These lighter shades of blue have really grown on me. I recently purchased a '13 Cadillac SRX for my wife, and when we were shopping for it, we discovered that they were available in Xenon Blue Metallic (a little darker than MBM, but lighter than NBM...which I think is too dark for my tastes). XBM was discontinued for the '14 MY, so we hurried up and found a '13 in this color, dealer-traded and it now resides in our garage. Now if I could just find a CTS-V wagon M6 in Opulent Blue Metallic to match

Anyway, your calculations are a tad off. As I mentioned in my post, there were a total of 91 '99 Firebird 'verts (both V6 and V8) built in MBM, only 24 of those are T/As (V8s), as there were no Formula 'verts built after '97 (the one exception were the 2 COPO '98 red Formula WS6 'verts). Of the 2029 total T/A 'verts built (all colors), only 528 came w/ the T56 (about 26%). So assuming that 26% of the 24 MBM T/A 'verts also came w/ T56, a good estimate would be 24 * 0.26 = 6.24, or 6-7 MBM T/A 'verts w/ T56 (not 1 or 2). Still, while that's not a confirmed number, I think its safe to say that your car is single-digit rare, but unlikely a 1 or 2-off.

{now for more of the sound of me kicking myself in the **** for not breaking-out by transmission the "normal" (non-WS6) cars like I did for Z28s in the Camaro breakout I did .}

Paul Bell

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She's a beauty!

I too would not mess with this one. Cat back and maybe a GM Ram Air hood.

Enjoy it!