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Don't BS me,I've looked at buying a GTO for awhile and done mucho research.They were geared up to sell 18k units a year and can't even aproach that,hell I've seen 2 NEW 04's locally on the lot and many more can be seen by searching but I suppose you'll tell me they FLY off the lots and just can't be replaced fast enough."uninformed masses"my ***,you're an appologist.I suppose thats why people who look at buying GTOs are on all these sites looking for 3k-5k off and whether to buy a new 04/05/06 and whats the best deal.......oops,that means they don't think the cars worth 34k.
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Apologist for what? I hope they never make another one, the less on the streets the better as far Im concerned,if I wanted a belly button car I woudl have gotten a Mustang or a Camarobird.
As for the price,I dont think ANY car is worth 34k.. I paid $20k and thats more than I have ever paid for a car. Only reason I did was because I have been wanting to buy a Holden since I found out about them in the mid 80s.
I am not gonna change your mind and you are sure as hell not gonna change mine.
Have fun waiting for your 09 camarobird,Ill be enjoying my car in the meantime.
Cheers..
As for the price,I dont think ANY car is worth 34k.. I paid $20k and thats more than I have ever paid for a car. Only reason I did was because I have been wanting to buy a Holden since I found out about them in the mid 80s.
I am not gonna change your mind and you are sure as hell not gonna change mine.
Have fun waiting for your 09 camarobird,Ill be enjoying my car in the meantime.
Cheers..
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Oh,guess you couldn't argue with the facts.Go on living in your world where your ***** the fastest,coolest,most refined,stops traffic and paid less then anyone else.
Thank you and I'm out.
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
Apologist for what? I hope they never make another one, the less on the streets the better as far Im concerned,if I wanted a belly button car I woudl have gotten a Mustang or a Camarobird.
As for the price,I dont think ANY car is worth 34k.. I paid $20k and thats more than I have ever paid for a car. Only reason I did was because I have been wanting to buy a Holden since I found out about them in the mid 80s.
I am not gonna change your mind and you are sure as hell not gonna change mine.
Have fun waiting for your 09 camarobird,Ill be enjoying my car in the meantime.
Cheers..
As for the price,I dont think ANY car is worth 34k.. I paid $20k and thats more than I have ever paid for a car. Only reason I did was because I have been wanting to buy a Holden since I found out about them in the mid 80s.
I am not gonna change your mind and you are sure as hell not gonna change mine.
Have fun waiting for your 09 camarobird,Ill be enjoying my car in the meantime.
Cheers..
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Originally Posted by chaman
. I don't think they will last too long in production so,
If you do an internet search on "Holden GTO production" you will find where GM overestimated how many GTOs they could make. Holden could NOT meet the 18,000 number initially proposed. The austrailian factory just couldnot physically make as many as GM wanted.
Those are the facts.
If you dont belive me do a search on the general motors site GMBlog where they talk about it as well.
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Well, alot of so called "purists" dislike the GTO. Perhaps because it's Australian built and possibly for it's looks. There are a few things the new GTO shares with the original. Low keyed styling, a heavy body, major power and the hood scoops and front grills are somewhat reminiscnet of the original Goats.
In either case, they can usually out perform their competitors for nearly the same price. Some cases for less, (SRT-8 Charger) and sometimes more. (Mustang GT.)
The looks didn't sell me on the car. I think it looks ok, but what really excites me is the performance and interior. Plus feature wise it's much more advanced than the F-Body ever was.
GM also doesn't do a good job marketting the GTO. In fact they do no marketting at all. You can't move something almost no one knows about.
In either case, they can usually out perform their competitors for nearly the same price. Some cases for less, (SRT-8 Charger) and sometimes more. (Mustang GT.)
The looks didn't sell me on the car. I think it looks ok, but what really excites me is the performance and interior. Plus feature wise it's much more advanced than the F-Body ever was.
GM also doesn't do a good job marketting the GTO. In fact they do no marketting at all. You can't move something almost no one knows about.
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Originally Posted by Firehawk0220
Well, alot of so called "purists" dislike the GTO. Perhaps because it's Australian built and possibly for it's looks. .
It started the cars life here in the states on the wrong foot.
People were expecting a typical big pontiac with big hood scoops
and vents and stuff with in your face styling. Not to
mention it was not made here .
I completly agree it should never have been marketed as a GTO.
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
You presented no facts,
Nothing to be gained with arguing with you.
Would just lower me to your level.
and your welcome..
Nothing to be gained with arguing with you.
Would just lower me to your level.
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Guess you cant read either..
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why dont you drive your firechicken over here and try making me tough guy..
palm beach,florida.
pm me and Ill give you directions,make sure you dont get lost..
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Originally Posted by chaman
. I suggest you lock yourself in your pretty red GTO and get lost... ![The Judge](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_judge.gif)
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palm beach,florida.
pm me and Ill give you directions,make sure you dont get lost..
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
why dont you drive your firechicken over here and try making me tough guy..
palm beach,florida.
pm me and Ill give you directions,make sure you dont get lost..
palm beach,florida.
pm me and Ill give you directions,make sure you dont get lost..
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read the post a couple above this where I answered your statement..
HERE:
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HERE:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=26
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
two completely different cars so the owners are gonna be very different..
GTO is an understated refined australian grand tourer and the Camarobirds are old school,scooped,spoilered,creaking,long beaked ,etc.
If the GTO had extra scoops,vents,bulging hoods with a big screaming chicken decal on it Im sure they would love the GTO.
Let them enjoy their bs stories and out of production cars.
PS: In case you cant tell ,. I dont like the look of camarobirds ..
GTO is an understated refined australian grand tourer and the Camarobirds are old school,scooped,spoilered,creaking,long beaked ,etc.
If the GTO had extra scoops,vents,bulging hoods with a big screaming chicken decal on it Im sure they would love the GTO.
Let them enjoy their bs stories and out of production cars.
PS: In case you cant tell ,. I dont like the look of camarobirds ..
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You are using "facts" from info released by GM.....I think you are right...that GTO must be fast, it already damaged your brain. You are loosing you argument but please try not to use that kind of language, makes you look sillier than you already are.
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Originally Posted by HTRDLNCN
I agree it should NEVER have been called a GTO,,that bring back memories of breadbox shaped cars which this definately is not. They should have kept the Holden name and the Holden front bumper and not stuck all the silly pontiac crap on it.
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Yes the looks are lacking, but that is what I wanted in a way... makes a pretty good sleeper. I didn't buy it for it's looks that's for sure. I bought it for it's interior and the drivetrain. I was looking for a new vehicle with a LS1 or LS2 in it after my Camaro got totaled. I never even knew the GTO came back out till I was looking online. I saw it had the LS2 and 3 days later I had one in my driveway.
BTW mine turns plenty of heads
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Originally Posted by gotzaGTO
I'm not going to waste any pissing match time in here outside of this. anyone who is hating a GTO, I'll give you a ride in mine and then tell me that you don't at least like it....
Of course a sales guy came up to me and tried to sell me the thing. I told him I wasn't really interested at that point in time. I knew about the LS2 car and I told him that I'd wait and see what the 2005's were like. He said, "well would you like to test drive the 2004 now?" They seemed really slow that day and that is probably the main reason he wanted to waste his time. Either that or he thought I'd love it enough to buy it on the spot.
I took a 2004 Barbados Blue A4 out. I liked the feel of the car, and the handling was decent. (Not as good as the Firehawks) Still I liked the exhaust note and thought it would make an awesome daily driver. It didn't throw my head back and impress me the way my Hawk did when I got it.
Later, I test drove a 2005 after a couple months when the dealers stopped being so over protective of them and weren't so unwilling to bargain on them. Agian I did not buy, but I took one out for a drive. I loved it. I knew that I had to have one at that point. It threw my head back like the Hawk, but was much more civilized and easier to drive and shift than the Hawk was. Overall, I thought the GTO was a better car in every way except for the appearance. Which had grown on me over the previous several months.
Initially I didn't even think about GTO's or care about them until I saw one in person for the first time.
Before I bought my GTO I decided to drive the Mustang GT and after having driven F-Bodies for so long, and having driven the 2004 and 2005 GTO, I found there to be no comparison. Exterior looks aside, when it came to quality and performance, the GTO won all the points with me. So now I own a GTO. It has been the most satisfying car purchase I've made yet. I think it's great.
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GM tossed the F-body car out of their lineup because they were NOT selling at anywhere near their plant capacity. How Fbody guys can sit here and say GTO suck and they are not selling is beyond me. Thats the pot calling the kettle black. They haven't made your car in 4 years. I think Fbody guys have LS2 envy.
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Originally Posted by 05_GTO
I agree, I'm in the process of debadging mine and hopefully getting a Holden bumper.
Yes the looks are lacking, but that is what I wanted in a way... makes a pretty good sleeper. I didn't buy it for it's looks that's for sure. I bought it for it's interior and the drivetrain. I was looking for a new vehicle with a LS1 or LS2 in it after my Camaro got totaled. I never even knew the GTO came back out till I was looking online. I saw it had the LS2 and 3 days later I had one in my driveway.
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Yes the looks are lacking, but that is what I wanted in a way... makes a pretty good sleeper. I didn't buy it for it's looks that's for sure. I bought it for it's interior and the drivetrain. I was looking for a new vehicle with a LS1 or LS2 in it after my Camaro got totaled. I never even knew the GTO came back out till I was looking online. I saw it had the LS2 and 3 days later I had one in my driveway.
BTW mine turns plenty of heads
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Originally Posted by MyGoatBites
GM tossed the F-body car out of their lineup because they were NOT selling at anywhere near their plant capacity. How Fbody guys can sit here and say GTO suck and they are not selling is beyond me. Thats the pot calling the kettle black. They haven't made your car in 4 years. I think Fbody guys have LS2 envy.