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Old 10-29-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Heads, sure... but the actual BLOCK of the 2v is proven to hold TONS of power. Like 2,000hp. Part of the reason the motor is so big is because the block is so thick/strong.
You have proof of stock block 2000HP 2v's right?
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I can't find the one example that I was looking for in particular, but a simple search will bring up tons of examples ~1000hp. The teksid block (older aluminum block) is known to handle 1500hp.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I can't find the one example that I was looking for in particular, but a simple search will bring up tons of examples ~1000hp. The teksid block (older aluminum block) is known to handle 1500hp.
I typed in "2000 HP stock block 2v's" and Google gave me the message: "Are you on crack?"
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This is a waste the 2v just don.t cut it with the ls1. I think we will all agree that 03-04 was fords best years. The acually built to really good mustangs that were affordable and finally some competition. The MACH1 and the TERMINATOR make it FUN to race again.
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
I typed in "2000 HP stock block 2v's" and Google gave me the message: "Are you on crack?"
I lol'd
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Originally Posted by BlkZ28559
This is a waste the 2v just don.t cut it with the ls1. I think we will all agree that 03-04 was fords best years. The acually built to really good mustangs that were affordable and finally some competition. The MACH1 and the TERMINATOR make it FUN to race again.
I agree. Being a former 2V owner the motor/platform isn't terrible, but in every form it's inferior to the LS1(perhaps not in stock reliability but this is a marginal difference). There are so many ex-GT owners on here, but how often do you see someone sell their LS1 car for a 2V GT? Never lol.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I don't see how 1-2 carlengths is "handing there ***." From a roll, sure... but half the guys on here always talk about how dig races are the only way to go, and then flip-flop when we start talking about car with equal ets and lower trapspeeds. Then it's all about, "Well we will win from a roll."
Ls1 would destroy a bolt on 2v from a roll or stop, including 323 auto cars
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Originally Posted by The Manalishi
I typed in "2000 HP stock block 2v's" and Google gave me the message: "Are you on crack?"
:lol
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Originally Posted by Quick Sh0t xMLx
I agree. Being a former 2V owner the motor/platform isn't terrible, but in every form it's inferior to the LS1(perhaps not in stock reliability but this is a marginal difference). There are so many ex-GT owners on here, but how often do you see someone sell their LS1 car for a 2V GT? Never lol.
AMEN BRO I always see a grip of GTs in the for sale ads a few z28s but rarely any SS WS-6 . The bottomline is those 2v are girl cars "no offense theres some female race car drivers that will hand me my *** on a platter"
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Originally Posted by Quick Sh0t xMLx
Cammed+spray LS1s are making 500+ easily and being pretty reliable. Dudes with blowers are blowing their motors up on the 4.6 with less than 450 rwhp. Granted I can find examples like that for the LS1 as well but overall people are usually making 100+ less rwhp on a stock block 4.6 vs. a stock block LS1. Not only that but the LS1 is so much easier to mod/make power with. You pretty much need FI just to crack 400 rwhp on a 2V 4.6.

The LS1 is just so much better in terms of modding than the 4.6, it makes you a bit emo just thinking about it.
Guys are blowing up motors with less than 450rwhp, because their tune/setup sucks. I'm sure we can all agree that the MGT is more common than a 4th gen in terms of ownership. Having said that, you will get more ignorant fools per capita as well. Not only that, FI tuning is different than N/A tuning. 4.6L blocks (non-03/04 cobra) can handle ~450RWHp safely if done right. I'm sure the percentage of that is the same, if nto more, than your example of LS1 with cam and a bottle at 500+rwhp.

Yes, you do need FI to crack 400.......totally different setup than a pushrod, that's why. Not only that, you spend more N/A to achieve the same power as FI and that affects market/availability.

That last line had me cracking up......making you emo just thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I can't find the one example that I was looking for in particular, but a simple search will bring up tons of examples ~1000hp. The teksid block (older aluminum block) is known to handle 1500hp.
(psst......teksids were only available in 4V's, we are talking 2V's, which ironically are cast iron and can handle more).

Originally Posted by The Manalishi
I typed in "2000 HP stock block 2v's" and Google gave me the message: "Are you on crack?"
ROFLMAO @ reply from google.
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That last line had me cracking up......making you emo just thinking about it.
LOL you just don't understand. I spent the last 8ish months of ownership(owned it for 2 years) with that car just wishing I had an LS1. Every time I'd get on the dyno, or go down to the drag strip or just run someone on the highway. You can taste the desperation unless you have an endless pocketbook.
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Originally Posted by Quick Sh0t xMLx
LOL you just don't understand. I spent the last 8ish months of ownership(owned it for 2 years) with that car just wishing I had an LS1. Every time I'd get on the dyno, or go down to the drag strip or just run someone on the highway. You can taste the desperation unless you have an endless pocketbook.
You're right...I was never crazy enough to buy a 2V....unless it was going to be stripped and completely redone, or a simple DD with a tad bit of 'pep.'

My laughing wasn't meant as an insult.....I honestly thought it was hilarious.
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
You're right...I was never crazy enough to buy a 2V....unless it was going to be stripped and completely redone, or a simple DD with a tad bit of 'pep.'

My laughing wasn't meant as an insult.....I honestly thought it was hilarious.
Oh I didn't take it as an insult. The car was honestly fun, I bought it wrecked and fixed it with a total investment of $5400 lol. Threw a few bolt ons and a 125 shot and it was quick for the money I had in it(almost nothing). But when you think of the bigger picture it just requires too much money to make 500+.

So I sold that ****, bought this wrecked C5, which isn't quite finished yet but it's shaping up nicely and I'm pretty sure I'll never look back/no regrets lol. I still have my nitrous kit so on day one I will exceed the power my 2V made by a good bit.

It's a solid car, overall build quality is above an F-Body. If someone just wants a DD with some pep or a 12 second car(with a few mods) by all means consider it. But if you want more than that get an LSx or 4V for sure.
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I actually have been thinking about a 2v for a DD, since gas is droping. When I have more money saved up, and get a better job, I would really love a new edge. Quick enough for DD use, and just have the T/A for the weekends. Isn't the gas mileage worse then an F-body though?
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Heads, sure... but the actual BLOCK of the 2v is proven to hold TONS of power. Like 2,000hp. Part of the reason the motor is so big is because the block is so thick/strong.
Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I can't find the one example that I was looking for in particular, but a simple search will bring up tons of examples ~1000hp. The teksid block (older aluminum block) is known to handle 1500hp.
1000, 1500, and 2000 HP are worlds apart. There are race blocks that have a hard time being durable at the 2000 HP mark and they were supposedly designed for that enviroment.
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Originally Posted by AznMuscle
I actually have been thinking about a 2v for a DD, since gas is droping. When I have more money saved up, and get a better job, I would really love a new edge. Quick enough for DD use, and just have the T/A for the weekends. Isn't the gas mileage worse then an F-body though?
Generally, yes. They have 3.27s and a T3650, instead of 3.42s(highest) paired with a T56.


I considered it for a DD too, until I saw mach prices getting in the mid 10s. THat's not much more than some people are asking for their 2V's. UH, DUH, let me think about dat one.
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Isn't the gas mileage worse then an F-body though?
With a 5spd and 4.10s I was getting around 19-20 mpg all city and 24ish highway. Stock gearing will net you around 18-19 city and 26ish highway. Same mileage around town as an F-body but slightly less than an M6 around the highway.
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Thats not that bad then. But if the prices aren't to bad for a mach, I would rather go with one of those lol. We will see once I move. 24 highway is meh, but depending on how much highway, it can't be that bad.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Heads, sure... but the actual BLOCK of the 2v is proven to hold TONS of power. Like 2,000hp. Part of the reason the motor is so big is because the block is so thick/strong.


Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I can't find the one example that I was looking for in particular, but a simple search will bring up tons of examples ~1000hp. The teksid block (older aluminum block) is known to handle 1500hp.
I thought we were talking about 2000hp 2v's. Now we are on 1000hp and 1500hp 4v's?
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
Generally, yes. They have 3.27s and a T3650, instead of 3.42s(highest) paired with a T56.


I considered it for a DD too, until I saw mach prices getting in the mid 10s. THat's not much more than some people are asking for their 2V's. UH, DUH, let me think about dat one.
Most of the 2v are 10k or more i've seen v6 for 12k The terminators are at 20k - 22k I mainly see verts for sale no hard tops ???


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