wickedwarlock

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This is debateable. Most street races are roll races. I spend my share time at the track, but to say real races are only from digs is just pure ignorance.

Not every car is built for dragging, many of the high horsepower cars are built for the highway.

kjmdrumz3

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Real races ARE from a dig. I've never seen a money race go down from a roll

DiscerningZ32

Unless there are twisties involved (roadcourse) then the only way to see who is quicker is from a dig.
Some say they want to go from a roll to simply see which CAR is quicker, but as a Lemon said, the car's power is not the only variable that determines how quick a car is.
That being said, the best way to determine who is quicker (bar none) is at the track.

wickedwarlock

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I've seen money exchange from diggs and from rolls.

I'm sure you will see more comment on it.

raysadude

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IMHO a race is a race, rolls or digs are just the form of races, however i agree with lemons and kjmdrumz that usually people that know how to drive their car and actually put down the power to the wheels would prefer to race from a dig because they know what their car is capable of.
but if you notice most of street racing are done from a roll because not everyone can find a safe spot to do a dig run...so really it depends on the situation

oh and i've seen money involved in a roll racing simply because both cars agree that they wouldn't get traction from a dig.

TheBlueKnight

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I don't get why anyone would take sides? I guess because some guy claims such and such racing is the only "real" racing, LOL. Digs, rolls, Manual tranny, Auto. All of it is fun, bring it all on. Anyone who claims one tranny or one type of race is the only "real" type

lemons12

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IMO people that KNOW their car is quick race from a roll.. People that are unsure of what their car is capable of race from rolls.

Just seems shitty to me to ONLY pour money in engine mods and then go race people from 60 rolls because you are too stupid to figure out how to make a car hook.. Or you cant drive so you make a powerful car and ONLY run from a roll..

Will I roll race? Yes.. Does it matter to me or count for anything? No..
I have raced PLENTY of people from a roll.. Usually for 1 or 2 reasons.
1. They won't run me from a dig because they know the outcome..
2. It's me and a friend just BSing around and decide to have a run..

Leave the roll racing **** for Supras/bikes/imports.. We will continue to race from a dig! Thats what american muscle is about.. Not the 60mph bull ****.

hookemdevils22

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so anyways... 'alti' ran a 13.37@110 a few nights later - on spray. which is awesome for an altima, but pretty horrific for an LS to lose to.

raysadude

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ya the guy called me few days ago and told me that he's in the middle of fixing his car right now, if he does get the "alti" fixed we'll run and it's gonna be on tape, oh and he told me when he was off spray he ran 13.9@99 iirc so no whenever he beat the camaro it was ON spray

he actually doesn't, since you're in moore maybe you should come this weekend if he does get his car fixed

i don't get what you're trying to say, he told me that from a dig the camaro got him, but he beat the camaro from a roll

RedBeauty84ZX

I have...around here unless you're at the track the only kind of racing that goes on is roll racing.

RedBeauty84ZX

Most if not all the fbodys around here roll race....

RedBeauty84ZX

Not really...a 110MPH trap is faster then any stock and most lightly modded LS1s...given his ET i'd say he had traction issues..sounds like its got the power:weight of a mid to low 12 second car.

kjmdrumz3

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I'd say high 12 car. Most stock LS1's I've seen run 13.30's @ 107-108. Any bolt on 6 speed should trap at least 112ish. Oh and I'm not saying I've never roll raced. It's hella fun for sure. But when money comes into it, it's from a dig or it's not going down.

raysadude

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err saying a stock LS1 trap 107-108 is a lil bit exaggerated don't u think? my car in its stock form ran 14.4@104 (first time to the track) second time i managed to get 13.5@106 that was my best pass for that day i've never had a chance to go back to the track after intake and exhaust mods

if that altima on spray trap 110 and beat the camaro from a roll that means the camaro trap lower than that, and that's a bolt ons(I/E) camaro that put down 350rwhp if you live in moore you should know B&R performance they are the one that did all the works in the camaro

kjmdrumz3

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A stock 6-speed LS1 SHOULD trap 107-108. My first time down a track ever was a 13.33 @107.xx. Of course if the driver isn't up to it thats a different story Back home, most stock LS1's I've seen go 13.20's-13.40's at 107-108. The only local company I trust with my LS1 is Performance Specialties, Inc. from back home in Baltimore. The owner, Jeff, is the best tuner I've ever seen. And as we all know, tuning can make or break a car (literally as well) There are several other big LS1 shops around there and they can't touch the cars coming out of his shop. Which is why when I do get an LS1 here in the near future it's getting driven back to Baltimore for the mods and tuning. Nothing against B&R but they won't be touching mine.

How did a stock cube, full weight (3780 with me in it), 3/4 tank of gas, heavy *** stock WS6 wheel, drag radial, cam-only (read:TR224, NOT a FI cam by any means) LS1 with a small turbo running only 7.5 psi go 10.79@130? The tune. Another shop around us had a Camaro that had weight taken out of it, slicks, draglites, all kinds of suspension work, h/c car with a D1SC at 8-9psi only go 11.30's @122.......because of the tune!

raysadude

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ok i agree with that, but according to this race the altima trapped 110 and he beat the camaro from a roll which means the camaro must trap lower than 110 correct? in your previous post you mentioned that a bolt ons ls1 should trap 110-112

kjmdrumz3

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1 of 2 possibilities here. Either the car is a or the driver of the Camaro can't drive. A bolt-on (I/E/suspension car) should trap 112 all day, if not more! He should steadily pull away from the "alti" if it only trapped 110. That's the beauty of street racing though. I've seen an 11.teens car beat a 10.60 car on the street. The street is an entirely different animal!

adanieljohnson1

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Our T56's work just fine thank you... And for every Auto you show me that beat a Manual with equal power I can show a manual that beat an auto with equal power... This was a pointless post...

He for sure isnt a tool.. Dudes actually cool as hell from talking to him! Try and get past the fact that he doesnt drive an LS and you will see...

Good god he has traction issues!!!! His trap speed I would say should have him around 12.7+

kjmdrumz3

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From a dig a properly setup auto should win everytime. I'm not talking stock. I'm talking bolt-on/cam cars.

BobDoLe

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reading that thread about his slip, looks like there's a lot in it that he simply can't get to the ground... slipping tranny, blowing the tires off in 1st and 2nd gear (on slicks).
i feel bad for his wallet, but it would be nice to see what sort of setup he ends up with to get the power to the ground.

sounds like everyone else that builds a 12sec capable FWD import then eventually ends up on LS1tech with a camaro.