BS thread - 2011 GT 11.80's @ 118 with bolt ons
05-12-2010, 03:59 AM
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It all depends on what you like. Ford come out with a fast mustang that needs no s/c to be fast. Chevy will sell the new z28 that will beat the gt. More people will still buy ls1s and 03 cobra because their only going to get cheaper. So it just depends on what you like and how much money you want to spend. All i know is the more ci the more potential it has to make faster all motor. dynoed proven 500rwhp ls3 cam only and bolt ons.. I want to see the 5.0 do that with stock heads cam only,,
05-12-2010, 08:37 AM
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I finally found the page I was looking for.
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=515518
3.7" bore on a stock 4.6L stroke would be 305", who knows what proprietary stroke is. the other guys are running 3.75" strokes which puts them at 322" (5.3L) and since this isnt the "5.0L HP champion" I am assuming its bigger than 5.0L.
403 rwtq with 5.3L and 12.9:1 compression
439 with a 5.4L AND its STD (reads about 4% higher than SAE)
these are cream of the crop engines, they represent the most max effort 4v NA mod motors. they are all over 5.0L. the highest 5.0L rwtq is 390.
now, please, tell them they are wrong too
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=515518
3.7" bore on a stock 4.6L stroke would be 305", who knows what proprietary stroke is. the other guys are running 3.75" strokes which puts them at 322" (5.3L) and since this isnt the "5.0L HP champion" I am assuming its bigger than 5.0L.
403 rwtq with 5.3L and 12.9:1 compression
439 with a 5.4L AND its STD (reads about 4% higher than SAE)
these are cream of the crop engines, they represent the most max effort 4v NA mod motors. they are all over 5.0L. the highest 5.0L rwtq is 390.
now, please, tell them they are wrong too
2.) Has anybody bored and stroked a 5.0 that isn't even on the road yet? Have they put an H/C/I package on yet? NO. So please, keep your misguided assumptions to yourself.
It wasn't even a CAI. Just a drop-in K&N filter.
05-12-2010, 11:13 AM
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How will it be possible with WAAAY less cubes? Even with a bore/stroke the new 5.0 won't get anywhere near the displacement of a big LS stroker. I think in the end 5.0's will need boost or juice to keep up with the stoutest of stout N/A LS1's.
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05-12-2010, 12:45 PM
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Technology is a bitch. Of course it won't be able to get near the torque or displacement of a stroker LSx. It's already down 44 cubes from the LS1/6 which is why I've already conceded it won't make as much torque as a stroker N/A to N/A but I think it will definitely hold its own against the "mighty" LSX.
05-12-2010, 12:54 PM
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I'm saying it's entirely possible.
1.) I don't give a flying **** what they did with a 4.6L 4v because its AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENGINE than the 2011 5.0L. What do you not understand about that?
2.) Has anybody bored and stroked a 5.0 that isn't even on the road yet? Have they put an H/C/I package on yet? NO. So please, keep your misguided assumptions to yourself.
1.) I don't give a flying **** what they did with a 4.6L 4v because its AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENGINE than the 2011 5.0L. What do you not understand about that?
2.) Has anybody bored and stroked a 5.0 that isn't even on the road yet? Have they put an H/C/I package on yet? NO. So please, keep your misguided assumptions to yourself.
I just find it humorous that this is still being disputed with only three bolt ons and a tune it put down 375rwtq. No touching the long block, nor the exh. mani's.
ANother 25 rwtq isn't that far off.BUT, no matter what it's all speculation at this point no matter what any of us 'believe' or where our opinions stand.
05-12-2010, 01:15 PM
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Just wondering but why are you comparing 4.6L 4v's that have been made to 5.0L to a completely different motor that happens to be the 2011 5.0L? Do you think that just because 5.0L = 5.0L that they are the same? What about the intakes of each setup? What about the cam designs? What about the engine management systems? You don't look very far past the first page of the books you read do you?
I'm saying it's entirely possible.
1.) I don't give a flying **** what they did with a 4.6L 4v because its AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENGINE than the 2011 5.0L. What do you not understand about that?
2.) Has anybody bored and stroked a 5.0 that isn't even on the road yet? Have they put an H/C/I package on yet? NO. So please, keep your misguided assumptions to yourself.
1.) I don't give a flying **** what they did with a 4.6L 4v because its AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENGINE than the 2011 5.0L. What do you not understand about that?
2.) Has anybody bored and stroked a 5.0 that isn't even on the road yet? Have they put an H/C/I package on yet? NO. So please, keep your misguided assumptions to yourself.
intake setups, cam design, engine management systems, etc will decide horsepower, not so much torque. torque is displacement dependent. in an otto cycle engine you will always be limited to how much torque you can squeeze out of a certain amount of displacement. the new ford 5.0L is not going to break this rule, it will abide by this rule. it is a highly efficient engine from the factory and is close to its limit of torque production. you wont be seeing 430-440 rwtq unless its a forced induction application and I would bet my life on that.
have you guys ever seen a 2.0L 4 cylinder making 200 ft lbs of torque? how about a 3.5L V6 making 350 ft lbs of torque? you ever see a 4.6L making 460 ft lbs of torque? a 5.7L making 570 ft lbs (that would be over 500 rwtq out of an LS1, a mark reserved for 408 strokers). can you think why you haven't seen them do that? hint: ive tried beating it in to your thick skulls repeatedly.
im just convinced you think the ford gods sent down your savior and there will be some kind of breaking of physics laws instead of parting the seas it will be making 100 ft lbs per liter NA...
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05-12-2010, 01:59 PM
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I tried to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that you just didnt know but now I realize youre just morons.
intake setups, cam design, engine management systems, etc will decide horsepower, not so much torque. torque is displacement dependent. in an otto cycle engine you will always be limited to how much torque you can squeeze out of a certain amount of displacement. the new ford 5.0L is not going to break this rule, it will abide by this rule. it is a highly efficient engine from the factory and is close to its limit of torque production. you wont be seeing 430-440 rwtq unless its a forced induction application and I would bet my life on that.
have you guys ever seen a 2.0L 4 cylinder making 200 ft lbs of torque? how about a 3.5L V6 making 350 ft lbs of torque? you ever see a 4.6L making 460 ft lbs of torque? a 5.7L making 570 ft lbs (that would be over 500 rwtq out of an LS1, a mark reserved for 408 strokers). can you think why you haven't seen them do that? hint: ive tried beating it in to your thick skulls repeatedly.
im just convinced you think the ford gods sent down your savior and there will be some kind of breaking of physics laws instead of parting the seas it will be making 100 ft lbs per liter NA...
intake setups, cam design, engine management systems, etc will decide horsepower, not so much torque. torque is displacement dependent. in an otto cycle engine you will always be limited to how much torque you can squeeze out of a certain amount of displacement. the new ford 5.0L is not going to break this rule, it will abide by this rule. it is a highly efficient engine from the factory and is close to its limit of torque production. you wont be seeing 430-440 rwtq unless its a forced induction application and I would bet my life on that.
have you guys ever seen a 2.0L 4 cylinder making 200 ft lbs of torque? how about a 3.5L V6 making 350 ft lbs of torque? you ever see a 4.6L making 460 ft lbs of torque? a 5.7L making 570 ft lbs (that would be over 500 rwtq out of an LS1, a mark reserved for 408 strokers). can you think why you haven't seen them do that? hint: ive tried beating it in to your thick skulls repeatedly.
im just convinced you think the ford gods sent down your savior and there will be some kind of breaking of physics laws instead of parting the seas it will be making 100 ft lbs per liter NA...
Unbe-*******-lievable!
05-12-2010, 02:17 PM
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Now it's 430-440rwtq?...before it was no more than 450TQ for the motor. Now it's RWpower?.......you are unbelievable man...simply unbelievable. That's why you simply can't understand what we are saying, because you keep changing your wording to suit your opinion.
Unbe-*******-lievable!
Unbe-*******-lievable!
430-440 rwtq in a 5.0L would have it making more torque per displacement than pro stock engines.
I stick by my 390 rwtq max, no way it crosses 400 rwtq
I would expect a driveline to consume about 50-60 ft lbs of torque (that percentage BS is iffy at best...) you wont see 450+ at the flywheel or 400+ at the wheels.
05-12-2010, 02:59 PM
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I said that because thats what sarge said he expected you dumb ****.
430-440 rwtq in a 5.0L would have it making more torque per displacement than pro stock engines.
I stick by my 390 rwtq max, no way it crosses 400 rwtq
I would expect a driveline to consume about 50-60 ft lbs of torque (that percentage BS is iffy at best...) you wont see 450+ at the flywheel or 400+ at the wheels.
430-440 rwtq in a 5.0L would have it making more torque per displacement than pro stock engines.
I stick by my 390 rwtq max, no way it crosses 400 rwtq
I would expect a driveline to consume about 50-60 ft lbs of torque (that percentage BS is iffy at best...) you wont see 450+ at the flywheel or 400+ at the wheels.
I think it's time to log off now or you'll miss your supercuts appointment. That mullet needs a trim.
05-12-2010, 04:15 PM
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I dont give a **** if the 5.0L was designed by the greatest minds to ever design an engine, it will only make a certain amount of torque. that is fact. if you guys dont realize that then you are idiots incapable of learning.
05-12-2010, 04:20 PM
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comprende? Donde esta su cabesa?
05-12-2010, 04:27 PM
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the 5.0L will never see 430-440 rwtq. it wont see 400 rwtq. it wont see over 450 flywheel torque.its impossible. an engine displacing 5.0L cant do that, it WILL not do that, it is physically impossible. ANY ENGINE. ferrari, lamborghini, bugatti, WHATEVER. IT CANT DO IT. what part of this dont you understand?
05-12-2010, 04:33 PM
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I havent changed at all youre just bringing up BS to try and discredit me you fool.
the 5.0L will never see 430-440 rwtq. it wont see 400 rwtq. it wont see over 450 flywheel torque.its impossible. an engine displacing 5.0L cant do that, it WILL not do that, it is physically impossible. ANY ENGINE. ferrari, lamborghini, bugatti, WHATEVER. IT CANT DO IT. what part of this dont you understand?
the 5.0L will never see 430-440 rwtq. it wont see 400 rwtq. it wont see over 450 flywheel torque.its impossible. an engine displacing 5.0L cant do that, it WILL not do that, it is physically impossible. ANY ENGINE. ferrari, lamborghini, bugatti, WHATEVER. IT CANT DO IT. what part of this dont you understand?
