It finally happened, new 5.0 killed me
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There were 94 Mustang SVT Cobras that had a 5.8l Windsor V8
The 96-98 Cobra had a 305hp engine with DOHC 4v Both above were faster than the LT1s Z28s they were being compared with.
In 99 They had a 320hp Engine. While not AS FAST as a 99 LS1 Z28, it was damned close.
I wont got into the 5.4l R series
In 2003-4 the Mach1 was pretty much equal with the Z28. And the Termi Cobra.. well do I even have to mention that one?
I wont go into how the 3vs were very close in performance with the Z28 LS1s. And the GT500s blew them way.
So yes, Ford has been making cars that either compete, or outperform GM offerings for years. Even the Vette with Ford's GT.
Now if you want to say that this was the first time Ford made a GT in the past few decades that was faster than the Z28, then yes, that would be correct.
The 96-98 Cobra had a 305hp engine with DOHC 4v Both above were faster than the LT1s Z28s they were being compared with.
In 99 They had a 320hp Engine. While not AS FAST as a 99 LS1 Z28, it was damned close.
I wont got into the 5.4l R series
In 2003-4 the Mach1 was pretty much equal with the Z28. And the Termi Cobra.. well do I even have to mention that one?
I wont go into how the 3vs were very close in performance with the Z28 LS1s. And the GT500s blew them way.
So yes, Ford has been making cars that either compete, or outperform GM offerings for years. Even the Vette with Ford's GT.
Now if you want to say that this was the first time Ford made a GT in the past few decades that was faster than the Z28, then yes, that would be correct.
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I dont give a **** about all this GM vs. Ford crap. All i know is that i better get to modding my car because these 2011 GTs will flat skin it back. I dont care what anyone says lol I just dont plan on getting beat by Mustang GTs. Not because i have anything against Mustang owners or Ford boys, its just a classic rival and i plan on holding my end of the battle up. GM better step there game up and drop there prices if they wanna compete with this new pony. They need better suspension(the GT is out performing it with a solid rear axle), less weight(camaro is 300 lbs fatter), more performance packages(currently no packages). GM better step its game up or just go home.
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Yes I agree, it was a pretty amazing car.
Mach1 was, 03-04 cobras weren't z28 competition.
I guess. GT500's, really?
Dumbest **** you've said so far.
And this is even me going along with your "not meant to compete" or any price comparisons.
The statement I was replying to stated Ford finally made something to compete. Ford has been making cars that compete, and surpass GM's efforts for years now. You can make irrelevant claims that the Ford GT is a "supercar" (Like the z06 isn't...) but that doesn't matter. Outperforming is outperforming.
Me stating this also doesn't make me a nutswinger. I have no allegiance to Ford. I've only owned one Ford my entire life.
It cracks me up that anytime anyone that defends for in anything, right or wrong, suddenly becomes a "nutswinger" That actually shows a highly defensive mode on the person that makes the accusation.
They say we hate in what we think we see in others, that we hate about ourselves.
I'm just keeping it real.
Yo.
Peace.
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There is a lot more to it than that. I think Unit had a pretty good write up of when he drove one for a few days (I will see if I can find it).
Edit: https://ls1tech.com/forums/racers-lo...n-ford-gt.html
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Many of the super defensive GM defenders on this site are bitter about the attention the Mustang gets from the public. Gotta realize that us gear-heads make up a TINY piece of the pie, so even if you point to the facts from the years 98-02, the average 16 year old kid just wants the "it" car...the Mustang has been the "it" car (in the eyes of the public who 98% won't mod it at all) for a loooooong time. Don't ask me why, maybe Ford's marketing? I am not saying one is better than the other (I will reserve my personal opinion), I am just calling a spade a spade and saying there is tension in the air when the car that the GM owners call overrated (which, I will agree, the Mustang has been overrated some years in the past) finally said God Damn we're sick of this gnat at a BBQ that is people saying Ford can't perform (see Kevin's list to learn otherwise if you didn't know) and made the run of the mill GT a fast stock car. GM produces great cars, Ford produces great cars. Like I said, calling a spade a spade.
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Many of the super defensive GM defenders on this site are bitter about the attention the Mustang gets from the public. Gotta realize that us gear-heads make up a TINY piece of the pie, so even if you point to the facts from the years 98-02, the average 16 year old kid just wants the "it" car...the Mustang has been the "it" car (in the eyes of the public who 98% won't mod it at all) for a loooooong time. Don't ask me why, maybe Ford's marketing? I am not saying one is better than the other (I will reserve my personal opinion), I am just calling a spade a spade and saying there is tension in the air when the car that the GM owners call overrated (which, I will agree, the Mustang has been overrated some years in the past) finally said God Damn we're sick of this gnat at a BBQ that is people saying Ford can't perform (see Kevin's list to learn otherwise if you didn't know) and made the run of the mill GT a fast stock car. GM produces great cars, Ford produces great cars. Like I said, calling a spade a spade.
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What 351-powered Mustang in '94 are you referring to? Are you thinking of the '95 Cobra R in which there were a mere 250 produced?
A 96/97 Camaro SS would walk a 96/97 Cobra with no problems. I should know, I owned one. ![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
http://stangbangers.com/96_CobraVsCa...rd_Article.htm
Curious to know what Z28 was put into production in 2003 & 2004 ![Icon Confused](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_confused.gif)
Again, there was no F-body competition when Ford released the 3-valve GT and GT500.
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http://stangbangers.com/96_CobraVsCa...rd_Article.htm
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Again, there was no F-body competition when Ford released the 3-valve GT and GT500.
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Yep, because in those days you had to buy either a "special edition" or limited-edition Mustang that was sold only at "certified dealerships" in order to match the base model F-body out of the box.
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Did you really read Unit's post (It's only the first page or two that you should read)? Anyway, we are off-track even more so than before. I guess agree to disagree to leave it on amicable terms
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The Mustang GT (and even the v6) finally got some ***** and they'll sell like hot cakes once again.
But remember guys, just because a car can run mid 12's stock doesn't mean everyone who drives 'em can do it.
I just wish they would offer something similar to the Ford GT.
The Cobra etc wasn't a limited edition. It's SVT line was like Chevy's Z or SS line.
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11,267 produced
Engine(s) 5.0 L Windsor V8
5.8 L Windsor V8(1995 R Model)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVT_Cobra
A 96/97 Camaro SS would walk a 96/97 Cobra with no problems. I should know, I owned one. ![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
http://stangbangers.com/96_CobraVsCa...rd_Article.htm
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http://stangbangers.com/96_CobraVsCa...rd_Article.htm
What I find also odd is that the T/A Got a 14.1, had the same HP, transmission, and weighed LESS yet was .5 second slower.
Curious to know what Z28 was put into production in 2003 & 2004
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Again, there was no F-body competition when Ford released the 3-valve GT and GT500.
The Cobra etc wasn't a limited edition. It's SVT line was like Chevy's Z or SS line.
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This whole 5.0 thing is alot like when the SRT-4 came out and all the neon fanbois came over here talking about how they beat an LS1 and all the LS1 fanbois were up in arms about how it could never happen. Eventually, all the LS1 and SRT guys who had some basis in reality could see the truth of how it could happen sometimes, realizing of course, that anything can happen on the street.
It is a great time to be a car guy. There has never been this much selection of performance cars that regular people can afford on the market.
It is a great time to be a car guy. There has never been this much selection of performance cars that regular people can afford on the market.
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Production 1994–1995
11,267 produced
Engine(s) 5.0 L Windsor V8
5.8 L Windsor V8(1995 R Model)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVT_Cobra
11,267 produced
Engine(s) 5.0 L Windsor V8
5.8 L Windsor V8(1995 R Model)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVT_Cobra
It's not Ford's fault. I was just making a point. And the GT500 should be faster than the 5th gen SS for $15,000 more. That only makes sense.
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