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Old 12-21-2010, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
So a $45,000 Vette was a little bit faster than a $36,000 Mustang but a $75,000 Viper was quite a bit faster than a $45,000 Vette? Am I stupid or am I missing something?

average times that normal drivers can run

2004 C5 vette-13.3 at 107
2003 cobra-13.1 at 109
2005 C6 LS2 vette-13.0 at 111
2008 C6 LS3 vette-12.6 at 115
2004 C5Z06-12.6 at 115
2002 GTS viper-12.2 at 118
2003 SRT10 Viper-12.0 at 120
2005 FordGT-11.8 at 122
2006 C6Z06-11.7 at 124
2008 Viper-11.5 at 127
2009 ZR1-11.4 at 128
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LS2 Vettes are nothing to me really, Id rape the **** out of one. Your logic on the other hand....
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Lightning TEG...You have no idea Bro..Here in hawaii they were selling Base C5's for 70K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have huge mark ups here in hawaii.....But i think I did get a military discount as well as some other discount and was out the door for 47.5K..Wich was a steal considering the other times I tried to buy the car they wouldnt budge under 60K for a base C5
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
LS2 Vettes are nothing to me really, Id rape the **** out of one. Your logic on the other hand....
Really they are nothing to anyone other than the slow bastard of C6's that still use 4 speeds in their autos and run 13.'s at 109

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Originally Posted by Killemall

It was embarrassing....To see RSKY bask in all the automative gory as people seemed so mesmerized over his 13 second car and my 12 second car had a dog come **** on the tire...

Say Im insecure ect. But that day I learned that a rare car or 70K plus sports car just carries a lot more weight inthe general public that they do on these boards....I never cared that much as well till RSKY's nsx gace me the beat down parked next to me in those parking lots....


How about the day my $20,000 car rapes your Viper? Sounds to me like you need to own a Vintage Rolls Royce dude. I couldnt care less being parked next to a Lamborghini and how much "attention" his car brings from dumb *** people who only care about how much it cost, like you. When I say lets go out the highway and they get yanked is why I bought and built my car. You need a different hobby man, Croquet anyone?
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I'm going to start giving you a run as bench racer of the year....

A better comparison would be same drivers, same day, same track conditions…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwD1aRXPN40

06 Z06, $65k 0-60 in 3.8 secs., ¼ 11.9@124
06 Viper SRT-10 $86k 0-60 in 4.0 secs, ¼ 12.5@118
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Just to stir the pot a little.

http://www.corvetteblog.com/archives...d-14-mile.html
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Originally Posted by Mr370z
Awesome find, I always thought they had the potential for 10's/
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Originally Posted by Killemall
Really they are nothing to anyone other than the slow bastard of C6's that still use 4 speeds in their autos and run 13.'s at 109

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C6 Vette's only came with 4 speed autos for 1 year - 2005. It's now 2011 models...
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Thanks for posting that vid....2006 was a disapointing year for the viper...the coupe body style was awesome....unfortunetly the coupe came in at 70 pounds heavier than the vert....3450 vs 3380...even worse were the vets dynoed 435-455 the 2006 coupe had pcm changes and many dynoed 400-420 rwhp..the added weight and weak pcm made for some disapointed coupe owners..there are many post on the viper forums about the 2006 pcm change and more than a few got new pcm's or after market tunes getting the power were it should be at around 440 plus rwhp.....

very disapointing with the 2006 coupe however they more than made up for it with the 2008's
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Funny I see a lot of folks speak this non-sense. The LS2 C6 was intended to be a substantial improvement over it's predecessor, the base model C5, and lived up to every bit of that goal. 400hp (up 50 from the previous base Corvette), mid 12's @ 114-115 in the quarter-mile (about a half second quicker than the C5 Z51), top speed of 186mph, and a MSRP of $43,780 which was actually down from 2004! I fail to see what the "let down" is with that?
The only let down I see is for those poor guys with the LS2 C6's, kind of (but nowhere near as bad) like the '11 Mustang GT getting what the '10 should have had. Other than that the LS2 is a great engine, LS3 is, of course, better but not by a wide margin.

Battle of the Supercars is a **** poor example of a race. Tanner can launch near as good as Paul can, ever drag race I've seen on that show he gets raped out of the hole.
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Come on people.

You mean to tell me you didn't buy your vette because of the attention you get with it compared to the camaro you use to own.

And we buy vettes because we can afford them.

If you had $90k to blow, you would still buy a vette when there are other options available to you?

A used AWD Gallardo makes me giggly all over. How can you not ever want to own one if you have the chance to?

Same to me as a viper, everywhere you look there's a vette. How often do you see vipers? Lambos? ferraris?

You buy the car because of the performance, the way it looks, and you know it, the way you feel when you get attention.

And those who say, "no", you liars!
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Originally Posted by CyberGrey Z28
I'm going to start giving you a run as bench racer of the year....

A better comparison would be same drivers, same day, same track conditions…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwD1aRXPN40

06 Z06, $65k 0-60 in 3.8 secs., ¼ 11.9@124
06 Viper SRT-10 $86k 0-60 in 4.0 secs, ¼ 12.5@118
Well put sir!

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Come on people.

You mean to tell me you didn't buy your vette because of the attention you get with it compared to the camaro you use to own.

And we buy vettes because we can afford them.

If you had $90k to blow, you would still buy a vette when there are other options available to you?

A used AWD Gallardo makes me giggly all over. How can you not ever want to own one if you have the chance to?

Same to me as a viper, everywhere you look there's a vette. How often do you see vipers? Lambos? ferraris?

You buy the car because of the performance, the way it looks, and you know it, the way you feel when you get attention.

And those who say, "no", you liars!
Actually, no man. I really REALLY wouldn't want to own a Lamborghini, especially where I live and the fact there are no dealerships around. Even if there were, there is such a thing as being pretentious. Do I want to be like every other Lambo or Ferarri owner, who nine times out of ten doesn't even know what he owns, or how to fix it? Nah, I'll pass. I even take back the statement I made about taking a Viper over a Vette, I wouldn't. I was just trying to make Killemall feel better I actually usually find the drivers of such cars so damn smug, imo anyways. It's what you like man, and who cares what others think. More times than not I just want to go to the store and back, and don't always want to be noticed. In fact, under the radar is a good thing (hence the appeal of sleepers and stealth setups-it's also called being "conservative") for those who aren't peacocks (which I nominate Killemall for THAT award- "Peacock syndrome"). If I, like a few others on here wanted to be noticed, I'd plant the throttle firmly to the floor, the sounds and sights to follow are good enough for me. So in a nutshell no, I would never spend the money on a new Lambo, even if I could afford one. I would however, buy the biggest frickin' boat money could buy and live on it . I'd likely have a ZR1 though, you know. .. so I'm not noticed .
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Im about to get real as a ***** Fuc$a here for a sec

I like to egg things on..Ill be the first to admit that..I like pissin people off and seeing there responses..This timne I targeted ls2 vette owners..Usually its GTO's (wich I really hate)..But Id rock a ls2 in a heart beat if thats what i was limited to..Its a new style vette for crying out loud..high12's aint fast compared to what im used to...But it sure aint slow..

heres were i get real

Some of you are saying blah blah blah I wouldnt want a Lambo/Viper/GTR ect. They are ***** extensions and those people just want to get nloticed and cant even work on there own car...

im not singling anyone out because more than a few have said somthing along these lines...

SHUT THE F*CK UP YOU LYING BASTARDS

Lets get real for a second..if your driveing a car that cost less than 38K brand new..in many of the people saying these remarks their car wasnt worth 30K brand new...

then how in the f8ck do you have the right to say you wouldnt this and that...You simply cant. It's no secret that the average person cant afford a 48K new vette or Shelby or 40K used 2003 srt10 viper or 40k used C6Z06...if everyone could then 90% of us on this board would have one...

let alone 74-120K new Z06's vipers GTR's ZR1's ACR's...

And then some talk about not wanting a Lambo because it would get noticed..A 300K car when your trying to pimp out and mod a 27K car...

Im always honest..Even when I look stupid. Wich is quite often...So please..dont be a hater..A few of you are hateing on the more fortunate out there. They cant turn a wrench or they dont know anything about there car ect...

last week a guy went 7.99 in his TT viper on PUMP GAS

then he went 7.4 at 199 mph on race gas

You think this guy and his dad maybe know a thing or two about cars..how much ***** does it take to trapp 200 mph in the 1/4 mile.. These guys are setting records..

what about the other day when a TT lambo went 267 mph in 1 mile event..maybe he knows a thin g or two....Do you have what iot takes to go 267 mph?

Some of us are here because we have the cars and love them...Some of us are here because we had a camaro ect. and loved it...But moved onto other higher end cars..vettes..ctsv's ect..or Vipers ...A few members even moved on to lambos, ect. and still swing by from time to time...god bless em. they did well in the automotive part of their lifes...

Dosent mean they are better...Dosent even really mean they have money..They just moved on to a nicer car.And it surely dosent mean they play crochet or dont know how to turn a wrench or have a small dick or dont know about their car...

Those guys with the 600 rwhp NA C6Z06's and 2000 rwhp TT Vipers and 1700 rwhp supras and 1200 rwhp TT Lambos and 1300 rwhp TT FGT's...Those are the guys spending the time and money and pushing the car scene to heights its never been. Those are the guys setting 6 speed IRS records and 1 mile records.

THEY ARE THE ONES DUMPING 100K INTO A CAR TO PUSH THE BOUNDERIES

99% of us just sit back and imagine what it would be like to own a stock one and then tell others about the awesome vid we saw...So remember next time you wanna bullshit someone about how you wouldnt want this or that..How about you atleaste go buy a car that cost 80K but dosent get noticed...a black 550AMG perhaps. Those are around 450 HP and look just like any other regular mercedes 4 door you see..Just take off the AMG emblem and pretty much no one will know. Go buy one of those and back up your claim.

Until then you just an eagle standing on one leg holding out it's wings

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Originally Posted by oddwraith
Well put sir!



Actually, no man. I really REALLY wouldn't want to own a Lamborghini, especially where I live and the fact there are no dealerships around. Even if there were, there is such a thing as being pretentious. Do I want to be like every other Lambo or Ferarri owner, who nine times out of ten doesn't even know what he owns, or how to fix it? Nah, I'll pass. I even take back the statement I made about taking a Viper over a Vette, I wouldn't. I was just trying to make Killemall feel better I actually usually find the drivers of such cars so damn smug, imo anyways. It's what you like man, and who cares what others think. More times than not I just want to go to the store and back, and don't always want to be noticed. In fact, under the radar is a good thing (hence the appeal of sleepers and stealth setups-it's also called being "conservative") for those who aren't peacocks (which I nominate Killemall for THAT award- "Peacock syndrome"). If I, like a few others on here wanted to be noticed, I'd plant the throttle firmly to the floor, the sounds and sights to follow are good enough for me. So in a nutshell no, I would never spend the money on a new Lambo, even if I could afford one. I would however, buy the biggest frickin' boat money could buy and live on it . I'd likely have a ZR1 though, you know. .. so I'm not noticed .
Come on, there's smugs in every class of car owner. Not just the exotic cars. I've talked to a few, most of them are down to earth. But as I said, they come in any vehicle type, age or gender.

As for the lambo, OK, I can see about not having dealers around so that makes sense.

I see, you rather stand out in the biggest boat than the exotic car! Different strokes for different folks.

As for the ZR1, yeap, you would fit right in. 1 in 10 might catch it only because of the emblems on the car.

I can think of other things in that price range, but each their own I always say.

As for under the radar, I'm not racing for cash or pinks. I'll leave it at that

Oh, you might not fit that catagory above, you still own your f-body. I'm giving you a hard time.
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i actually agree with killmall with i will own what i can afford.
sure, my hugger will run 10's but it aint no lambo.

if i had 5k more, i wulda grabed a new wrx instead of the slobalt.
the average cr guy will "pimp" what he can afford.

if i cul afford a viper, damn right id have on.

till then, 2 kids, house, etc........i will happily cruise around in my quik DD and sunday terror
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
LS2 Vettes are nothing to me really, Id rape the **** out of one. Your logic on the other hand....
Oh really? Too bad your not closer so I could drag you up and down the road in my bolt on car.


And to that Viper guy talking all that crap, the bolt on ls2 record is in the 10.60's fwiw. My car personally has gone a best of 11.20 bolt ons and I still have the slip. Now what's the Gen 3 Viper record again?
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agreed....for a car that has went 11.5 stock its pretty sad we only have a guy doin 11.2s ...

But you gotta understand..its a very rare car...it sickens me to say this but on the Viper site that has like 2000 members..their are maybe 3 guys actively dragging their 03-06 SRT10 vipers that arent head and cammed at 600 rwhp or Sc'd at 700 rwhp or TT'd at 1000 plus rwhp..

ones speed freak who went 11.5 stock on stock tires
ones Dragon rider who did 11.2 with intake/exhaust/high flow cats and tune on reg tires
And then me...And Im not even at a real drag stip

Now for TT and SC vipers there are quite a few..but no one does just bolt ons..LOL

The guy who ran the 11.2 on street tires is my friend..he has intake/tune/exhaust/high flow cats...Thats it....490 rwhp...we have guys with 520 rwhp with bolt ons who could add slicks and go dragg race. But they just have no desire


It's a weird car in the dragging sense. people eighter buy them for the

-exclusivty and dont race at all...
-all out TT/SC drag car
-dedicated track car

No one does bolt ons and drags...

You just have to figure there are 5000 03-06 srt10's scatered througfhout the world....Not like the 180,000 C6's or 500,000 Fbodies or even 35,000 c6Z06's

One thing with rre cars is that numbers just arent on your side for setting records ect. Id see 20 fbodies and 3-5 vettes at the drag strip on a regular night. saw two vipers in 5 years
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Originally Posted by CyberGrey Z28
I'm going to start giving you a run as bench racer of the year....

A better comparison would be same drivers, same day, same track conditions…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwD1aRXPN40

06 Z06, $65k 0-60 in 3.8 secs., ¼ 11.9@124
06 Viper SRT-10 $86k 0-60 in 4.0 secs, ¼ 12.5@118


Just sain......

510 HP Viper did the lap in 115.59 vs the Z06's 115.74 same day same drivers

http://video.popularmechanics.com/se...ctid=987198992


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