oddwraith

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Oh, well that puts it to bed then I guess .

I know you weren't, didn't say you were.

MauriSSio

The Cobra (after the recall/fix) was pretty much on par with a typical automatic LS1 (102-104traps) but were definately slower than the LS1 manual cars. The Cobra R, though faster than any F-Body was too rare for discussion IMO. I think i saw one at a stealership in a "rich town" before. Never ever on the steet though

MauriSSio

from what ive seen the average auto traps about 2-3mph slower and .2-.3tenths slower as well. on average. The Cobra (pre Terminator) was right around that area.

oddwraith

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You are not comparing auto to auto then are you?

MauriSSio

they didnt make an auto Cobra. Im not even trying to talk down on the auto LS1, im just trying to give a lil perspective as to where i think the Cobra sits in the (stock) speed hierarchy is all. The Mach1 IMO sits just above the slobra

Ke^in

My point was, when people are saying "Finally Ford stepped up to the plate" they are ignoring all cars they made BUT the GT. Ford has been stepping up to the plate for a long long time. There was a time between 96 and 98 that I wouldn't brag about however. But before then, and after then they have been competitive.

ss1129

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I dont think for had anything to compete with a lt1 until 2003. Then from 86-92 a 5.0 vs a 5.7 was pretty much dead even. But from then on its been pretty ugly for ford until GM killed the fbody.

oddwraith

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Yeah well I guess you learn something new each day lol. I thought you were saying that the auto (if there were one ) Cobra would run with the M6 ls1. I am not talking UP the auto ls1 either, for the record. The Mach was the first Mustang that I actually liked and I figure I'd take one over any cobra (other than the obvious two years). I think your hierarchy is correct and thanks for the educations about pre termi cobras .

oddwraith

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I can only speak for myself here, but I meant they "stepped up to the plate" with the GT for once! Lets not start talking about FGts and such now More like 94-98 btw (notice I'm leaving your PI alone? lol).

LT/LS Guy

Both the Z28 and GT (1999) had a base price of $21k. They were head to head competiton. The more expensive Cobra was directed at the Z28/SS. Coulda swore we wen't over this in a previous discussion.

GM didn't have a selection PERIOD. Production of the F-body ended in 2002.




You sure about that?
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automotiv...aro-sales.html

oddwraith

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Coudn't have said all that better myself ^^^ Well maybe a lil better lol. Jokin jokin.

LT/LS Guy

Gimme a break, it's early.

WSsick

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Pretty sure there was only a month or two when Mustang outsold Camaro. Not too mention there is no Z28 or vert yet, which will definitely help sales (moreso the vert than the Z28).

Ke^in

Do you mean LS1? And yes they did.
If you are speaking about GTs MAYBE. The 5.0 Usually had the advantage. Not even talking about the Cobra variations.

MauriSSio

the vert sales will just cannibalize the SS sales. IMO the mustang sales were really strong considering it was pretty much a refresh vs a completely new car with 8 years of pent up demand. It was a good year for both automakers

Ke^in

By price price are you referring to retail price? Because if so, you are wrong. It was about 8k more. HOWEVER since they didn't sell as well, you could get them for ALMOST as cheap as GTs.
The 98 2v GT that was released in 98 2v GT was Ford's answer to the LT1 camaro that was out right before it. Then Ford put out the 2k Cobra to compete with the LS1. Was it DIRECTLY AS FAST? No. But it was very very close. Then the Mach1 was put out that was as fast. Then the Cobra which decimated it.
I wasn't referring to just the 03/04 Cobra. BTW the 03 Cobra was on the lots in 02 right along with the LS1 Camaro.
You are correct. My bad. First time in 16 years. However, I see those numbers changing by the end of the year ;-)

Ke^in

Just further proof that Ford wasn't using the GT to compete with GMs LS1 based fbodies, even the 3v GT was slightly slower than a stock LS1.

I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.

When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?

WSsick

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It will eat up some, but it will definitely add some sales. Some people only want a vert, and would choose another car with a vert over one that doesn't offer it. Sales will be fine, all across the board.

Both definitely had a great year, considering the economy and the big MPG push.

ss1129

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So Ford puts out a slower car and its almost as fast, but Ford puts out a faster car and it DECIMATES it.

LOL.

LT/LS Guy

Oook! If you are trying to say the base Z28 cost $8,000 more than the Mustang GT you are way off. In 1999 they both had a base price of $21k.

There was no regular production Cobra in 2000, only the "R". It was 1999 your thinking of.

No F-body put into production for 2003.

Again, there was no 2003 Camaro or Firebird. I'm beginning to sound like a tape recorder. lol

Finally you admit it.