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Old 01-05-2011, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
Just further proof that Ford wasn't using the GT to compete with GMs LS1 based fbodies, even the 3v GT was slightly slower than a stock LS1.

I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.

When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?
I was just waiting for you to find an escape route.
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
....No F-body put into production for 2003.



Again, there was no 2003 Camaro or Firebird. I'm beginning to sound like a tape recorder. lol...
you dont have to act like you dont know that the Terminator mustangs were built and sold at the same time as the 02 Camaros. Youre sounding like the 2010 Camaro guys did when the 2011 5.0 came out "yeah sure, i dont know why youre comparing the 10' camaro vs 11 mustang. Compare it to the 11' Camaro." when the only Camaros STILL being built and sold at the time were the 2010 Camaros. They can be fairly compaired to what was actually out or being built.
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
you dont have to act like you dont know that the Terminator mustangs were built and sold at the same time as the 02 Camaros. Youre sounding like the 2010 Camaro guys did when the 2011 5.0 came out "yeah sure, i dont know why youre comparing the 10' camaro vs 11 mustang. Compare it to the 11' Camaro." when the only Camaros STILL being built and sold at the time were the 2010 Camaros. They can be fairly compaired to what was actually out or being built.
What part of "end of production run" do you not get.
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Originally Posted by ss1129
So Ford puts out a slower car and its almost as fast, but Ford puts out a faster car and it DECIMATES it.

LOL.
There is smaller difference between the 2k Cobra vs a LS1 and a 2003 Cobra and a LS1 no?
Old 01-05-2011, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
There is smaller difference between the 2k Cobra vs a LS1 and a 2003 Cobra and a LS1 no?
Where can I find a 2000 Cobra at? Must be rare as hell!! I wan't one.
Old 01-05-2011, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
Oook! If you are trying to say the base Z28 cost $8,000 more than the Mustang GT you are way off. In 1999 they both had a base price of $21k.
I said retail price. For example in this test.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l..._Article1k.jpg

The Z28 they tested cost about 6k more. Meaning a decked out Z28 would cost about 6k more than a decked out GT.

There was no regular production Cobra in 2000, only the "R". It was 1999 your thinking of.
Actually I was thinking of the 2001 that was out in 2000.
No F-body put into production for 2003.
But those cars were sold in 2002. Right a long with the Z28.
Again, there was no 2003 Camaro or Firebird. I'm beginning to sound like a tape recorder. lol
Read above.
Finally you admit it.
Finally? That's the first time I've made such a comment. Stop being such a drama queen.

At least *I* admit when I'm wrong. ;-)

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I was just waiting for you to find an escape route.
Escape route?
Old 01-05-2011, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
I said retail price. For example in this test.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l..._Article1k.jpg

The Z28 they tested cost about 6k more. Meaning a decked out Z28 would cost about 6k more than a decked out GT.
^^That's the "SS" Kevin.

The GT was a better comparison for the base Z28 (non-SS).




Both had a base price of $21k. The Z28 in this test had a as-tested price of about $2k more, but I can tell you off top the Z28 has the optional wheels while obviously the GT does not, so it's hard to tell how these two stacked up to one another option-for-option.
Old 01-05-2011, 02:24 PM
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Actually I'm pretty sure those are optional wheels on that GT. They *technically* came standard with the 16" 5-spokes you normally saw on V6s.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Actually I'm pretty sure those are optional wheels on that GT. They *technically* came standard with the 16" 5-spokes you normally saw on V6s.
Your right they were Optional 17" painted wheels which were available in polish finish as an extra-cost option.
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Heck for an extra 2 grand I would have taken an extra 80 horses at the tires any day of the week.
Old 01-05-2011, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by m_liel
Heck for an extra 2 grand I would have taken an extra 80 horses at the tires any day of the week.
x2! The base Z28/Formula was a performance bargain back then. I remember all the mags making a huge deal over that.
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Originally Posted by m_liel
Heck for an extra 2 grand I would have taken an extra 80 horses at the tires any day of the week.
But what if you didn't like or want a Camaro?

There had to be a reason more of those GTs sold when compared to the LS1 cars.
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
But what if you didn't like or want a Camaro?

There had to be a reason more of those GTs sold when compared to the LS1 cars.
Well look at all the mustang rental cars plus all the middle aged divorced soccer moms that want to be hip. Although I would guess that a majority of the mustang sales were 6 bangers.
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Originally Posted by ss1129
Well look at all the mustang rental cars plus all the middle aged divorced soccer moms that want to be hip. Although I would guess that a majority of the mustang sales were 6 bangers.
And the majority of Camaro sales were 6 bangers bought by middle aged divorced soccer moms looking to look young again ;-)

They just didn't sell as many of them.

But to be honest, the Mustang sold more for a few reasons. It's more iconic, and IMHO it looked better. Most people didn't care that the Camaro could go a fraction of a second faster. It's irrelevant to most people.
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Fords suck.
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I threw up a little in my mouth reading Kevin's fanboism... You're almost as bad as MustangJeff.
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
And the majority of Camaro sales were 6 bangers bought by middle aged divorced soccer moms looking to look young again ;-)

They just didn't sell as many of them.

But to be honest, the Mustang sold more for a few reasons. It's more iconic, and IMHO it looked better. Most people didn't care that the Camaro could go a fraction of a second faster. It's irrelevant to most people.
This is a performance based website. Dont come on here with that b.s about fraction of a second faster being irrelevant, thats all that matters. I got my 2002 Camaro new because it was faster! The 2003-2004 cobras were only faster than the 98-02 f bodies because of that eaton supercharger case closed!
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I think a fraction of a second matters more than boring *** sales numbers I think "some" people need to learn the difference between "years of retail" and "years of production". Big difference and just because sales years overlapped, that doesn't give validation to the suggestion that two different yeared cars can be compared on the same grounds. The sales argument is ridiculous, by that assessment the civic is better than the evo because they sold more Sales is not an indication of value OR performance, it is an indication of marketing to a specific target audience. In the case of the Mustang, it was appealing to the masses more than the fbodys were, but that does not mean anything other than that it appealed as a grocery getter more so than an fbody did. Most drivers of Mustangs couldn't tell you the difference between their own cars let alone other cars. I say "most" because MOST drivers of mustangs are NOT car enthusiasts and are often retirees looking for a fun little car, new graduates who wanted a "cheap" sports car, or soccer moms (some who even opted for the v6 vert over the GT coupe-because they were such car enthusiasts ). I'm just saying that although Mustang outsold Camaro, it doesn't really mean as much within this community (the car enthusiast community that is) when considering the demographics involved. I didn't buy my car because it sold more or less (although less is better in this case, to me anyways ) than another one. Did anyone here for that matter? Doubt it.
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
I threw up a little in my mouth reading Kevin's fanboism... You're almost as bad as MustangJeff.



Originally Posted by BODUKE
This is a performance based website. Dont come on here with that b.s about fraction of a second faster being irrelevant
I said the AVERAGE person doesn't. And they don't. Those of you that actually RACE these cars and care about such things are the minority.
I got my 2002 Camaro new because it was faster! The 2003-2004 cobras were only faster than the 98-02 f bodies because of that eaton supercharger case closed!
That's like saying that the only reason the 98-02 F bodies were faster than a 2v was because it had more displacement!11
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Originally Posted by Ke^in




I said the AVERAGE person doesn't. And they don't. Those of you that actually RACE these cars and care about such things are the minority.

That's like saying that the only reason the 98-02 F bodies were faster was because it had more displacement!11
Ford made up for the displacement difference with the supercharger.


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