Ran up against another '11 5.0
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Just further proof that Ford wasn't using the GT to compete with GMs LS1 based fbodies, even the 3v GT was slightly slower than a stock LS1.
I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.
When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?
I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.
When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?
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you dont have to act like you dont know that the Terminator mustangs were built and sold at the same time as the 02 Camaros. Youre sounding like the 2010 Camaro guys did when the 2011 5.0 came out "yeah sure, i dont know why youre comparing the 10' camaro vs 11 mustang. Compare it to the 11' Camaro." when the only Camaros STILL being built and sold at the time were the 2010 Camaros. They can be fairly compaired to what was actually out or being built.
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you dont have to act like you dont know that the Terminator mustangs were built and sold at the same time as the 02 Camaros. Youre sounding like the 2010 Camaro guys did when the 2011 5.0 came out "yeah sure, i dont know why youre comparing the 10' camaro vs 11 mustang. Compare it to the 11' Camaro." when the only Camaros STILL being built and sold at the time were the 2010 Camaros. They can be fairly compaired to what was actually out or being built.
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The Z28 they tested cost about 6k more. Meaning a decked out Z28 would cost about 6k more than a decked out GT.
There was no regular production Cobra in 2000, only the "R". It was 1999 your thinking of.
No F-body put into production for 2003.
Again, there was no 2003 Camaro or Firebird. I'm beginning to sound like a tape recorder. lol
Finally you admit it.
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I said retail price. For example in this test.
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The Z28 they tested cost about 6k more. Meaning a decked out Z28 would cost about 6k more than a decked out GT.
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The Z28 they tested cost about 6k more. Meaning a decked out Z28 would cost about 6k more than a decked out GT.
The GT was a better comparison for the base Z28 (non-SS).
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Both had a base price of $21k. The Z28 in this test had a as-tested price of about $2k more, but I can tell you off top the Z28 has the optional wheels while obviously the GT does not, so it's hard to tell how these two stacked up to one another option-for-option.
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They just didn't sell as many of them.
But to be honest, the Mustang sold more for a few reasons. It's more iconic, and IMHO it looked better. Most people didn't care that the Camaro could go a fraction of a second faster. It's irrelevant to most people.
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And the majority of Camaro sales were 6 bangers bought by middle aged divorced soccer moms looking to look young again ;-)
They just didn't sell as many of them.
But to be honest, the Mustang sold more for a few reasons. It's more iconic, and IMHO it looked better. Most people didn't care that the Camaro could go a fraction of a second faster. It's irrelevant to most people.
They just didn't sell as many of them.
But to be honest, the Mustang sold more for a few reasons. It's more iconic, and IMHO it looked better. Most people didn't care that the Camaro could go a fraction of a second faster. It's irrelevant to most people.
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I think a fraction of a second matters more than boring *** sales numbers
I think "some" people need to learn the difference between "years of retail" and "years of production". Big difference and just because sales years overlapped, that doesn't give validation to the suggestion that two different yeared cars can be compared on the same grounds. The sales argument is ridiculous, by that assessment the civic is better than the evo because they sold more
Sales is not an indication of value OR performance, it is an indication of marketing to a specific target audience. In the case of the Mustang, it was appealing to the masses more than the fbodys were, but that does not mean anything other than that it appealed as a grocery getter more so than an fbody did. Most drivers of Mustangs couldn't tell you the difference between their own cars let alone other cars. I say "most" because MOST drivers of mustangs are NOT car enthusiasts and are often retirees looking for a fun little car, new graduates who wanted a "cheap" sports car, or soccer moms (some who even opted for the v6 vert over the GT coupe-because they were such car enthusiasts
). I'm just saying that although Mustang outsold Camaro, it doesn't really mean as much within this community (the car enthusiast community that is) when considering the demographics involved. I didn't buy my car because it sold more or less (although less is better in this case, to me anyways
) than another one. Did anyone here for that matter? Doubt it.
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I got my 2002 Camaro new because it was faster! The 2003-2004 cobras were only faster than the 98-02 f bodies because of that eaton supercharger case closed!
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Ford made up for the displacement difference with the supercharger.