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took em long enough, but m guessing the bean counters didnt really see a need to upgrade much when they were already sitting on the gold mine. I bet if GM upped the overall quality and design of the camaro then the sales (and thus competition) would have been closer to eachother.
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Oh, we're going to bring in the Cobra R into this now too lol.
The pre eaton cobras weren't quite there imo. A mach would edge them out, do you not agree? Not only that, the GT was supposed to be competion for fbodys, the cobra was back and forth with its purpose, but mostly to compensate for slow as GTs that sold well, to the mainstream population (how exciting) imo.
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from what ive seen the average auto traps about 2-3mph slower and .2-.3tenths slower as well. on average. The Cobra (pre Terminator) was right around that area.
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they didnt make an auto Cobra. Im not even trying to talk down on the auto LS1, im just trying to give a lil perspective as to where i think the Cobra sits in the (stock) speed hierarchy is all. The Mach1 IMO sits just above the slobra
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My point was, when people are saying "Finally Ford stepped up to the plate" they are ignoring all cars they made BUT the GT. Ford has been stepping up to the plate for a long long time. There was a time between 96 and 98 that I wouldn't brag about however. But before then, and after then they have been competitive.
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My point was, when people are saying "Finally Ford stepped up to the plate" they are ignoring all cars they made BUT the GT. Ford has been stepping up to the plate for a long long time. There was a time between 96 and 98 that I wouldn't brag about however. But before then, and after then they have been competitive.
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My point was, when people are saying "Finally Ford stepped up to the plate" they are ignoring all cars they made BUT the GT. Ford has been stepping up to the plate for a long long time. There was a time between 96 and 98 that I wouldn't brag about however. But before then, and after then they have been competitive.
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The Mach1 was closer to what the Z28 and SSs cost. The Termi Cobra was a bit more, but it was also a lot faster. Ford offered an inexpensive sporty car (The GT) a peppier version (Mach1) and the all out beast (Cobra) GM didn't have a selection of the like unless you wanted to go V6.
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You sure about that?
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You sure about that?
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Do you mean LS1? And yes they did.
If you are speaking about GTs MAYBE. The 5.0 Usually had the advantage. Not even talking about the Cobra variations.
Then from 86-92 a 5.0 vs a 5.7 was pretty much dead even.
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By price price are you referring to retail price? Because if so, you are wrong. It was about 8k more. HOWEVER since they didn't sell as well, you could get them for ALMOST as cheap as GTs.
The 98 2v GT that was released in 98 2v GT was Ford's answer to the LT1 camaro that was out right before it. Then Ford put out the 2k Cobra to compete with the LS1. Was it DIRECTLY AS FAST? No. But it was very very close. Then the Mach1 was put out that was as fast. Then the Cobra which decimated it.
I wasn't referring to just the 03/04 Cobra. BTW the 03 Cobra was on the lots in 02 right along with the LS1 Camaro.
You are correct. My bad. First time in 16 years. However, I see those numbers changing by the end of the year ;-)
They were head to head competiton.
GM didn't have a selection PERIOD. Production of the F-body ended in 2002.
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Just further proof that Ford wasn't using the GT to compete with GMs LS1 based fbodies, even the 3v GT was slightly slower than a stock LS1.
I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.
When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?
I guess in 2011 Ford decided to up it's game. Both the GT and Cobra are faster than tthe current Camaro now. Even the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro.
When is the next iteration of the Camaro showing up? Or do they have to wait till they pay the tax payers money back before designing a new one?
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Both definitely had a great year, considering the economy and the big MPG push.
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By price price are you referring to retail price? Because if so, you are wrong. It was about 8k more. HOWEVER since they didn't sell as well, you could get them for ALMOST as cheap as GTs.
The 98 2v GT that was released in 98 2v GT was Ford's answer to the LT1 camaro that was out right before it. Then Ford put out the 2k Cobra to compete with the LS1. Was it DIRECTLY AS FAST? No. But it was very very close. Then the Mach1 was put out that was as fast. Then the Cobra which decimated it.
I wasn't referring to just the 03/04 Cobra. BTW the 03 Cobra was on the lots in 02 right along with the LS1 Camaro.
You are correct. My bad. First time in 16 years. However, I see those numbers changing by the end of the year ;-)
The 98 2v GT that was released in 98 2v GT was Ford's answer to the LT1 camaro that was out right before it. Then Ford put out the 2k Cobra to compete with the LS1. Was it DIRECTLY AS FAST? No. But it was very very close. Then the Mach1 was put out that was as fast. Then the Cobra which decimated it.
I wasn't referring to just the 03/04 Cobra. BTW the 03 Cobra was on the lots in 02 right along with the LS1 Camaro.
You are correct. My bad. First time in 16 years. However, I see those numbers changing by the end of the year ;-)
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