Ran up against another '11 5.0
12-28-2010, 04:09 PM
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Don't be so sensitive, you ford fairy 
320-340 rwhp in a 3500 lbs (typical bolt-ons LS1 car) vs. 350-370rwhp in a 3700 lbs (typical stock GT car) = a close race. Yes the 5.0 is definitely a step up from 2V and 3V's but I still think they're are hyped up. I guess I'm just partial to Termis and older foxbodys.
320-340 rwhp in a 3500 lbs (typical bolt-ons LS1 car) vs. 350-370rwhp in a 3700 lbs (typical stock GT car) = a close race. Yes the 5.0 is definitely a step up from 2V and 3V's but I still think they're are hyped up. I guess I'm just partial to Termis and older foxbodys.
12-28-2010, 04:16 PM
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the biggest variable i notice about comparing with older cars is a lot of them have some kind of weight reduction done to them and is never mentioned. I always hear people say " with intake and exhaust i ran xx.xx time" but also dont mention that they removed 300lbs of stuff and running on 1 gallon of gas or whatever.
12-28-2010, 06:16 PM
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Lexan windows are always an option, illegal or not.
12-28-2010, 07:20 PM
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part of the problem could be that youre using fake numbers. typical stock GT is 3600lbs. They come in at a tad over 3600lbs with a full tank and even the autos put down over 350rwhp. Ive never seen a manual tranny 5.0 put down only 350rwhp. Lowest ive seen was 363rwhp, but ive also seen up to 395rwhp stock. average is 370rwhp. And now youre comparing a modded LS1 vs a stock 5.0, a bolt-on LS1 is a much closer race vs a 5.0 but still advantage to the 5.0.
About my "fake" numbers, the base model GT with no options weighs 3,605 lbs. per Ford.
Base model Z28/Formula with no option weigh 3440 lbs. per GM.
HP range was generalized as stated above, a generous dyno can also put a bolt-on LS1 at 380rwhp, doesn't necessarily mean its typical.
Next your going to say the video was "fake?"
Done arguing.
Good kill, OP
12-28-2010, 08:02 PM
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gk OP. great driving. fast car you have there. please everyone dont get into a shitting fest over a good kill.
a few things.
premium GT's weigh more than a base.
a base can be a light as 3480 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. curb weight is 3605 for a GT.
no such thing as a track pack.
19" brembos and pirelli p-zero tires weigh a few pounds less than standard premium GT wheels/tires. tires being the biggest weight factor. brakes are heavier than base.
roof window adds 25lbs. electronics such as shaker1000 with amp and sub box = more.
power seat adds 25lbs more i believe. jack and spare tire = more weight.
a base brembo GT is the lightest of the GT's. no spare, no jack, no power seat, less electronics.
all GT's have "cold air". its a projection of the airbox into the grille. a real cai is good for 11-15rwhp.
a few things.
premium GT's weigh more than a base.
a base can be a light as 3480 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. curb weight is 3605 for a GT.
no such thing as a track pack.
19" brembos and pirelli p-zero tires weigh a few pounds less than standard premium GT wheels/tires. tires being the biggest weight factor. brakes are heavier than base.
roof window adds 25lbs. electronics such as shaker1000 with amp and sub box = more.
power seat adds 25lbs more i believe. jack and spare tire = more weight.
a base brembo GT is the lightest of the GT's. no spare, no jack, no power seat, less electronics.
all GT's have "cold air". its a projection of the airbox into the grille. a real cai is good for 11-15rwhp.
12-28-2010, 08:24 PM
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Finally someone calls it like it is. The two cars are stock/stockish in this race. One lost and the other won. Track pack, gearing, and weight aside, 5.0s aren't all they were rumored to be. Just like running 12s in a stock six speed fbody in negative DA and on a downhill track (ahem, Atco) is the top 1% of factory fbody times, the times the mustang ran are unlikely to be repeated by 75% of the general mustang buying population. There's no excuses for that.
12-28-2010, 08:27 PM
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12s in a GT is FAR more likely than 12s in an LS1 F-body. That was in response to Cyber saying " Of course a bone stock LS1 will loose to a stock 5.0 thats not being debated, the argument I'm making and which has been proven is that a bolt-ons LS1 will keep up with a stock 5.0, in this case even the TracPac." This wasn't a bolt-on LS1, it was basically a stock one.
12-28-2010, 08:40 PM
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....About my "fake" numbers, the base model GT with no options weighs 3,605 lbs. per Ford.
Base model Z28/Formula with no option weigh 3440 lbs. per GM.
HP range was generalized as stated above, a generous dyno can also put a bolt-on LS1 at 380rwhp, doesn't necessarily mean its typical.
Next your going to say the video was "fake?"
Done arguing.
Good kill, OP
Base model Z28/Formula with no option weigh 3440 lbs. per GM.
HP range was generalized as stated above, a generous dyno can also put a bolt-on LS1 at 380rwhp, doesn't necessarily mean its typical.
Next your going to say the video was "fake?"
Done arguing.
Good kill, OP
Finally someone calls it like it is. The two cars are stock/stockish in this race. One lost and the other won. Track pack, gearing, and weight aside, 5.0s aren't all they were rumored to be. Just like running 12s in a stock six speed fbody in negative DA and on a downhill track (ahem, Atco) is the top 1% of factory fbody times, the times the mustang ran are unlikely to be repeated by 75% of the general mustang buying population. There's no excuses for that.
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12-28-2010, 08:44 PM
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BTW i never denied that it was a good kill for the OP. My post was just in response to the people who think the new 5.0 is overrated or is only as fast a stock f-body. Its undoubtably faster but still beatable.
12-28-2010, 10:02 PM
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Stock vs Stock we all know that a 5.0 is the faster car but not by as much as some of you ford guys make it seem. There are PLENTY of 5.0's running in the 13's not everyone is running 12.50's with 115 mph trap speeds. This car is not unbeatable and it can be beat by a bolt on LS1 car so get over it.
12-28-2010, 10:31 PM
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Stock vs Stock we all know that a 5.0 is the faster car but not by as much as some of you ford guys make it seem. There are PLENTY of 5.0's running in the 13's not everyone is running 12.50's with 115 mph trap speeds. This car is not unbeatable and it can be beat by a bolt on LS1 car so get over it.
Who said EVERYONE is running 12.50 and that everyone traps 115mph??
Who said it was unbeatable or that it cant be beat by a bolt-on LS1 car??
are you in the correct thread??? its common knowledge that a bolt on LS1 can be a good race for a 5.0
i agree.
12-28-2010, 10:34 PM
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who here said there WERENT 5.0's running in the 13's???
Who said EVERYONE is running 12.50 and that everyone traps 115mph??
Who said it was unbeatable or that it cant be beat by a bolt-on LS1 car??
are you in the correct thread??? its common knowledge that a bolt on LS1 can be a good race for a 5.0
i agree.
Who said EVERYONE is running 12.50 and that everyone traps 115mph??
Who said it was unbeatable or that it cant be beat by a bolt-on LS1 car??
are you in the correct thread??? its common knowledge that a bolt on LS1 can be a good race for a 5.0
i agree.
My Experience with a 11' GT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJQAq7l-hI
12-28-2010, 10:41 PM
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That new 5.0 is a damn nice little engine. I am a GM guy when it comes to cars but I am curious to see where the 5.0 will go when the serious guys start modding it. My question is that is it nearly maxed out now or will it respond with the same results as the LSx does when it is leaned on. I have to applaud Ford for throwing it out there though it keeps things interesting for sure.