I think Gm made the wrong decision going with a superchared engine with the zl1..they should of just put the ls7 in it and called it the day..All they are doing is adding more weight to an already heavy car.

 

Agree and disagree. LS7 for the SS, then a 600hp supercharged ZL1. That would have probably kept me in a GM.

Good thing the ZL1 shoudl up grade easy like the CTS-V.

 

Yeah,but just think about a ls7 with a procharger..lol

 

Looking at it that way the ZR1 is a waste of money...lol

 

[QUOTE=ohioborn80;15065076]Fake scoop, fake louvers, side skirts to hide the really odd black piece along the bottom. Really not a good look.

Glass roof is cool but a moonroof is far, far better. True on the 'vert.

It's a larger, more expensive car. If the price was the same, I would expect the performance crowd to tip the scales in favor of the SS & 5.0 anyway. And there are a LOT of Camaros and Mustangs in rental fleets. A LOT.


Mid 12s with a 1.9x 60ft, 12.3s with a 1.8x 60ft which, with it's weight and torque, is obtainable (and already done).

Actually my GF made a similar observation. Some many pieces are weirdly oversized, she thought it was silly. Shifter (auto), speaker, steering wheel center, big doors, high hood line, etc.

It's quite nice though, excellent quality, ergonomics and feel. The SS is really retro and it's rather horrible inside.

Most SRT-8s are dyno'd in 3rd, 4th gear is too fast (173mph) for most dynos. T

High 11s pretty obtainable I'm sure.

 

I was thinking GM should have 3 versions of the camaro.
Z28- in years past it was the base v8 but it could now be a answer to the boss 302. Maybe tuned ls3 with weight reduction to the car.
SS- a new ls variation with 396(enormous sales booster) cubic inches and about 450hp. Or the ls7 for 427 cubes.
Zl1 - ls9 or nothing.

The Challenger needs that 392 in the r/t and the srt needs a supercharger or a new hemi with 426 cubes.

 

Like it or not Retro sells and 80% of people age 40+ that buy these cars do so because they had the originals. Much of the younger age group still have f-bodies, gtos, cobras, vettes, and other newer style cars either because they are cheaper or they don't care for Retro look.

 

I would of like to to seen an upgrade in the R/T, maybe even put the old 6.1 in it.

 

i dont think the r/ts are that bad for how heavy they are. my friends did 13.6@102 on 22s with intake/shortys(stock cats/tune first time ever at the track (m6)

 

I agree i dont think that they are bad at all but i think they should have tried to make the R/T more competive (performance wise), considering its more in the price range of the Mustang/Camaro.

 

I wonder how much faster that is compared to a similarly modded '11 V6 Mustang.

 

ya they are expensive but all of the SRT's are expensive but hey they seem to sell i see them all the time. would be nice if the R/T got 400hp now but im guessing that would **** off the 06-10 srt owners.

around here im gonna guess faster (every area/driver is different), v6 11's around here from what i hear run slow

 

^^^This

I think its just Ohioborn, he already told us he's bored and has nothing better than to brag about his car even if the thread is not 5.0 related. It appears that his 5.0 nut-swinging crusade has expanded and is directed towards the Mopar crowd? At this rate, its only a matter of time before he is on the ZR1 forums...

 

The Challengers need EVERY bit of horsepower they can over the 5.0 to run the same times. I'll take the car that weighs 500lbs less over the car that has 50hp more. Especially if they are 400hp+.
See above. A bolt-on Challenger is gonna make 500rwhp maybe, but if it runs the same times as a 450rwhp Mustang, I'm not impressed. Lighter car please.

 

Better looking, heavier car, more power FTW.


Dont get me wrong, i like the 5.0 but, the challenger looks amazing. May be a little more and i may have a slightly one sided opinion but hell, if i am going to spend 39,000$ on a loaded 5.0, ill spend the extra 3,000$ to get a loaded 392 challenger. I wouldnt wipe my *** with the SS. The 5.0 and 392 challenger are where its at. The new SRT charger i think is gorgeous, the jeep....no.

 

300 SRT8

 

It's funny to see some Mustang guys butt hurt over the new Chally in the same way a few of the '10 SS guys were crying when the '11 GT hit the street. Hurts doesn't it?! Not from what I've seen out here. I haven't seen nearly as many 392s run as '11 GT's and their already putting out slightly quicker average times. The Chally has got a slight edge stock for stock. I predict the 392's will have the real advantage once the modding starts.

 

 

I would agree with the 300 SRT8. I've always been partial to luxury sports cars over pure sports cars. I personally would rather have a car with 4 doors, looks great inside and out, and is quick. It might not be the fastest but for what it is its great. I plan on buying an 06 300c SRT8 in the near future because of this preference. The other benefit with the SRT cars is they seem to be built very well and the seats are excellent. You don't seem to hear of a lot of common breakages or problems with the drivetrain. I personally will probably never own a mustang because they are too common and i like a little nicer inside, which is the reason i got rid of the camaro's I had. I can think of at least 10 people i know well that have a mustang gt or cobra from 91-11. Or the two 2011 GT500's that are a block from where i work. It is a personal preference. The new 5.0's are fast but that's not always the only reason to get a car. I always favored GM but with my Dodge Ram and my wife's Chrysler T&C and the 300 we use to have has swayed me.

 

Maybe it is area we ar in. ause here you can get a laoded 5.0 for under 36K with rebates and few other things. The SRT8's are 49k. Like said maybe area we are in. SS falls between both them.