bolt on ls1 vs bolt on 5.0
03-29-2014, 08:05 PM
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I could agree that it was a solid kill. I also happen to question the tires on the F-body. It nearly lifted the front left and on regular radials, that simply won't happen if the set up is what's been described.
That's pretty accurate, really. Anyone can talk trash and it's all good, but you'd have to be either completely ignorant or a total fool to seriously believe the LS1 holds a candle to the 32V 5L.
GM didn't stop producing the LS1 because nothing better could be made. 'Nuff said????
You do realize, don't you, that you basically just said, "Hey y'all, watchisss" and then failed the landing, right? After all, bashing the Mustang for running 13.0's where you race, only to turn around and say the car(LS1 F-body) you're placing over it is even slower... just isn't a win.
Covering those tracks? C'mon... You said earlier they were running 13 flat stock... now they had DR's... right.
You may not be aware of this, but the Mustang makes more power and torque than the old LS1... MUCH MORE power, to be sure. It's also well documented to be quicker, so why carry on with such a charade?
So far, that would like Sugar Ray Leonard, in his prime, challenging Cassius Clay in his...
Even if you wanted to do it, you won't.
That's pretty accurate, really. Anyone can talk trash and it's all good, but you'd have to be either completely ignorant or a total fool to seriously believe the LS1 holds a candle to the 32V 5L.
GM didn't stop producing the LS1 because nothing better could be made. 'Nuff said????
You do realize, don't you, that you basically just said, "Hey y'all, watchisss" and then failed the landing, right? After all, bashing the Mustang for running 13.0's where you race, only to turn around and say the car(LS1 F-body) you're placing over it is even slower... just isn't a win.
Covering those tracks? C'mon... You said earlier they were running 13 flat stock... now they had DR's... right.
You may not be aware of this, but the Mustang makes more power and torque than the old LS1... MUCH MORE power, to be sure. It's also well documented to be quicker, so why carry on with such a charade?
So far, that would like Sugar Ray Leonard, in his prime, challenging Cassius Clay in his...
Even if you wanted to do it, you won't.
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03-29-2014, 08:28 PM
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It'llrun I'm not bashing the 5.0 but don't sit here and say it's some absolute power house and poo the ls1, they do not dominate, stock for stock ya the 5.0 is faster, but throw some exhaust and drag radials on and be right back in the game for a 12+ year old car, 16 years in my case, I'm not worried
03-29-2014, 09:50 PM
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03-29-2014, 09:58 PM
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I'm heavier and beat them all at a local svtforum meet at Cecil a few years ago with bolt ons. 5l bros have the edge. You just have to be smarter and work on traction. Seems like the people that get butt hurt about the Coyote having the edge are kids with no money for mods. Work on traction and weight. In my experience the base model automatic Coyote is the monster. It's light and with simple bolt ons 11s and 118mph traps is average at sea level
03-29-2014, 10:20 PM
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It'llrun I'm not bashing the 5.0 but don't sit here and say it's some absolute power house and poo the ls1, they do not dominate, stock for stock ya the 5.0 is faster, but throw some exhaust and drag radials on and be right back in the game for a 12+ year old car, 16 years in my case, I'm not worried
All this nonsense talk is one thing, but the FACT of the matter is quite simple. The LS1 has been taken to its limit and we know that it does not deal well when the really high power levels show up.
Yeah, people argue this and that and I've said for YEARS that the LS1 is a great engine. That does NOT change the facts. You've never heard of a legitimate 2,000hp real LS1 and you NEVER WILL! Have other LS or LQ engines done it? Yup!
The reality is, the block cannot withstand the pressures required to make that much power. This is only part of why GM moved forward with several better examples of this basic design.
I'm not bashing the LS1 at all... Simple fact is, the 5L is far and away a better engine. Most haters here know it and immediately suggest we compared it to something INSIDE a Corvette, but not an LS1 inside a Corvette...Instead, something much newer. Nobody with an LS3 is swapping in an LS1 and there IS a reason... That's only one of several LS engines we know are better than the LS1 and like all of those, the Coyote is also better.
You're considering 2 cars, the 4th gen F-body vs Mustang and that's fine, but in the end, the LS1 cars lose. You can say, well, with exhaust and a set of slicks I'm right back in the game, but as it turns out, they too, can add exhaust and slicks. Then we'll move into other mods, all of which they can also do and ultimately, power adders are included and at that point, the LS1 is done, no doubt.
03-29-2014, 10:31 PM
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03-30-2014, 12:25 AM
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Engine to engine... Agree. You have to be a complete ******* moron to believe every 5.0 can beat every ls1 though. I've seen far too many 5.0s running low 13s in great air on the same track I run at. They don't all click off 12 second passes with ease.... and that leaves just a small amount of overlap between the two cars.
03-30-2014, 02:16 AM
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Engine to engine... Agree. You have to be a complete ******* moron to believe every 5.0 can beat every ls1 though. I've seen far too many 5.0s running low 13s in great air on the same track I run at. They don't all click off 12 second passes with ease.... and that leaves just a small amount of overlap between the two cars.
That said, how many street legal, N/A, stock long block, LS1 4th gen. Camaro or Trans Am's have you seen bust off a 10 second pass?
I have a list of several Coyotes and of those the quickest/fastest is NHRA legal to 10.00, 3,400lbs. raceweight. Still has A/C, stereo, power windows and locks.
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03-30-2014, 04:24 AM
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The 5L DOMINATES the LS1, period.
All this nonsense talk is one thing, but the FACT of the matter is quite simple. The LS1 has been taken to its limit and we know that it does not deal well when the really high power levels show up.
Yeah, people argue this and that and I've said for YEARS that the LS1 is a great engine. That does NOT change the facts. You've never heard of a legitimate 2,000hp real LS1 and you NEVER WILL! Have other LS or LQ engines done it? Yup!
The reality is, the block cannot withstand the pressures required to make that much power. This is only part of why GM moved forward with several better examples of this basic design.
I'm not bashing the LS1 at all... Simple fact is, the 5L is far and away a better engine. Most haters here know it and immediately suggest we compared it to something INSIDE a Corvette, but not an LS1 inside a Corvette...Instead, something much newer. Nobody with an LS3 is swapping in an LS1 and there IS a reason... That's only one of several LS engines we know are better than the LS1 and like all of those, the Coyote is also better.
You're considering 2 cars, the 4th gen F-body vs Mustang and that's fine, but in the end, the LS1 cars lose. You can say, well, with exhaust and a set of slicks I'm right back in the game, but as it turns out, they too, can add exhaust and slicks. Then we'll move into other mods, all of which they can also do and ultimately, power adders are included and at that point, the LS1 is done, no doubt.
All this nonsense talk is one thing, but the FACT of the matter is quite simple. The LS1 has been taken to its limit and we know that it does not deal well when the really high power levels show up.
Yeah, people argue this and that and I've said for YEARS that the LS1 is a great engine. That does NOT change the facts. You've never heard of a legitimate 2,000hp real LS1 and you NEVER WILL! Have other LS or LQ engines done it? Yup!
The reality is, the block cannot withstand the pressures required to make that much power. This is only part of why GM moved forward with several better examples of this basic design.
I'm not bashing the LS1 at all... Simple fact is, the 5L is far and away a better engine. Most haters here know it and immediately suggest we compared it to something INSIDE a Corvette, but not an LS1 inside a Corvette...Instead, something much newer. Nobody with an LS3 is swapping in an LS1 and there IS a reason... That's only one of several LS engines we know are better than the LS1 and like all of those, the Coyote is also better.
You're considering 2 cars, the 4th gen F-body vs Mustang and that's fine, but in the end, the LS1 cars lose. You can say, well, with exhaust and a set of slicks I'm right back in the game, but as it turns out, they too, can add exhaust and slicks. Then we'll move into other mods, all of which they can also do and ultimately, power adders are included and at that point, the LS1 is done, no doubt.
03-30-2014, 04:34 AM
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The 5L DOMINATES the LS1, period.
All this nonsense talk is one thing, but the FACT of the matter is quite simple. The LS1 has been taken to its limit and we know that it does not deal well when the really high power levels show up.
You're considering 2 cars, the 4th gen F-body vs Mustang and that's fine, but in the end, the LS1 cars lose. You can say, well, with exhaust and a set of slicks I'm right back in the game, but as it turns out, they too, can add exhaust and slicks. Then we'll move into other mods, all of which they can also do and ultimately, power adders are included and at that point, the LS1 is done, no doubt.
All this nonsense talk is one thing, but the FACT of the matter is quite simple. The LS1 has been taken to its limit and we know that it does not deal well when the really high power levels show up.
You're considering 2 cars, the 4th gen F-body vs Mustang and that's fine, but in the end, the LS1 cars lose. You can say, well, with exhaust and a set of slicks I'm right back in the game, but as it turns out, they too, can add exhaust and slicks. Then we'll move into other mods, all of which they can also do and ultimately, power adders are included and at that point, the LS1 is done, no doubt.
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03-30-2014, 05:15 AM
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What do you even run in the 1/4?