Gt4urass

Lmao!

4PointSlow

Smh at all these 5.bro's.

This race tells the whole story. Auto vs auto.

If a 5.0 keeps up or beats a stick c7 then they can't drive, end of story.

All the hyped up 5.bro 1/4 mile times in -2000 da don't mean ****.

Gt4urass

Why are you so angry?

Arctic

am i the only person who sees the 5.0 becoming the new ls1 of the car world? granted this is a gm site, but seriously. technology improves. cars get faster, engines get better, live with it

4PointSlow

How is the 5.0 superior to the ls3? LS3 is lighter, cheaper, smaller phyiscally, easier to package, cheaper and wider aftermarket, has more potential n/a and just as much potential for f/i applications.

LS3 is the new LS1.


The s197 would be a faster and better car with an ls3 than a 5.0.

Arctic

and its that 1 dimensional thinking that has the new camaro getting stomped by a mustang. yes the ls platform is an insane platform. but when you have cars with way less displacement making the same or more power kind of makes you wonder if the motor is a dinosaur. dont get me wrong, im all for the ls platform but setting here being mad because a ford is faster than a chevy after all the time ford was behind is just kind of...a waste

4PointSlow

The sra s197 platform is lighter and better for the track than the heavier irs zeta platform.

There's a difference between a better engine and a better platform. The s197 platform is just for the one car, the mustang, so it's going to be better for its intended purpose. The zeta is a "jack of all trades" platform meant for a wide range of sedans and coupes.

OneSlowV

iTrader: (2)

Why are you always butt hurt about a newer and faster car being better than a ls1 or ls3 camaro ?

4PointSlow

How am I butt hurt? I just said the s197 is the better platform than the zeta, for which the new camaro is based. But I made valid points pertaining to the capabilities of each motor, came to a conclusion and stated it, then asked an open ended question. In what way is the 5.0 superior to an LS3? I'm failing to see in any way it is. From price to packaging to aftermarket to n/a capabilites to reliability and so on.

4PointSlow

Can we stay on topic and have a real discussion about this, or are we going to change the subject ?

LS3
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Displacement: 6.2 L
Dimensions: 27.5" H X 27.5" D X 30" W
Engine Weight: 418 lbs.
Horsepower: 426
Torque: 420
HP/L: 68.7


Coyote
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Displacement: 5.0 L
Dimensions: 27" H X 26" D X 28" W
Engine Weight: 430 lbs.
Horsepower: 420
Torque: 390
HP/L: 84

Both are time bombs above 650 as stock engines. But the ls3 can see over 500 whp with just a cam change. 5.bro's spend thousands of dollars on bolt ons and are lucky to see 50 less than that.

R6cowboy

iTrader: (3)

This is why no one is going to take your exaggeration seriously. You make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to anything LSx related, and do the opposite to Ford or 5.0 stuff.

hugger1975

iTrader: (3)

big hammer

the 1le is an ss. like a gt with a track pack.

adamantium

iTrader: (3)

That honda got dragged by a H/C camaro. The camaro goes 123 in the 1/4. Honda has bolt ons and E85 and full interior.

Several cam only ls3's have made over 500whp. There are cam only Ly6's that have aswell. **** cam only JY LQ with milled 317 heads made 477whp through an auto and 9". With the right cam guy and mods its cake for an LS3 to make over 5xxwhp.

snake95

Getthafuckouttahere!

5.0s suck! We have have haaaaaaaaaaaaaave to convince ourselves for the sake of our sanity!!!

sw07gt

iTrader: (10)

The 5.0 will certainly be a more popular swap option than the 4.6 was but I don't see it ever being the "LS1 of the future".

R6cowboy

iTrader: (3)

I know, I was taking his word for it. He did say "just a cam change". An LS3 seeing 500+whp with only a cam change= bullshit. Yes, with headers, exhaust, intake, etc etc bolt-on's. But now you're getting into at least a couple thousand dollars in mods and parts. A cam change alone by itself like he said, not a chance.

Regardless, dude exaggerates and tries to make LSx anything sound greater than it is.

Puck

iTrader: (17)

5.0 is a nice motor but too expensive and too difficult to mod to be anywhere near an SBC or LS popularity. For example it's a hell of a lot of bullshit just for a ~40hp cam swap...need 4 giant expensive cams, tons of springs, have to limit the valve timing with phaser blockoff things to limit duration changes to keep the valves from slapping the pistons, etc.

Again, it's a good motor for a lot of people and performs great with bolt-ons, but it is complicated and does not have nearly as much potential as an LS for the average guy who wants to go being intake/exhaust/tune.

LS series motors can be pulled from a junkyard, rebuilt with ported stockers and a cam, and have a whole motor with 450+rwhp for probably close to what just the H/C swap will cost on the Coyote.

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

Does anyone here comparing the cost of swapping an ls motor vs a Coyote remember what the ls engines cost back in 2000? If you're not old enough, they were very expensive. Give the 5.0 a 17 year production run and then compare junkyard swaps.

big hammer

I could see it becoming a popular swap for 2v cars. but that's about it. still no reason to swap a 5.0 into anything other than if you just want a ford engine.