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05-07-2014, 04:18 AM
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Now look a cam only LS3 with less than half the amount invested is making ~20 more hp than the heads/cams/intake 5.0 you posted.
He's even on the stock intake manifold! 517 whp/462 lb-ft! Please show me a n/a coyote that makes more than this cam only car!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...24-timing.html
Now we have the 5.bro's making up bs saying they make 550-600 whp n/a; when a heads/cam/intake 5.0 barely made over 500 in the video posted.
Reality is the ford pen pals are just making up possible scenarios where it could happen, bench racing. Truth of the matter is there are no 550-600 whp n/a coyotes and they just got caught in their lies.
He's even on the stock intake manifold! 517 whp/462 lb-ft! Please show me a n/a coyote that makes more than this cam only car!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...24-timing.html
Now we have the 5.bro's making up bs saying they make 550-600 whp n/a; when a heads/cam/intake 5.0 barely made over 500 in the video posted.
Reality is the ford pen pals are just making up possible scenarios where it could happen, bench racing. Truth of the matter is there are no 550-600 whp n/a coyotes and they just got caught in their lies.
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05-07-2014, 04:53 AM
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Now look a cam only LS3 with less than half the amount invested is making ~20 more hp than the heads/cams/intake 5.0 you posted.
He's even on the stock intake manifold! 517 whp/462 lb-ft! Please show me a n/a coyote that makes more than this cam only car!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...24-timing.html
Now we have the 5.bro's making up bs saying they make 550-600 whp n/a; when a heads/cam/intake 5.0 barely made over 500 in the video posted.
Reality is the ford pen pals are just making up possible scenarios where it could happen, bench racing. Truth of the matter is there are no 550-600 whp n/a coyotes and they just got caught in their lies.
He's even on the stock intake manifold! 517 whp/462 lb-ft! Please show me a n/a coyote that makes more than this cam only car!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...24-timing.html
Now we have the 5.bro's making up bs saying they make 550-600 whp n/a; when a heads/cam/intake 5.0 barely made over 500 in the video posted.
Reality is the ford pen pals are just making up possible scenarios where it could happen, bench racing. Truth of the matter is there are no 550-600 whp n/a coyotes and they just got caught in their lies.
05-07-2014, 05:08 AM
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It takes head, cams and a cj intake to get there. At that point it is cheaper to put a supercharger on the car. Not to mention the lsx engines have 15 years of aftermarket development on the 4v 5.0.
05-07-2014, 05:18 AM
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It's competitive but to say it is superior to the ls3 is an outrageous statement.
05-07-2014, 05:31 AM
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You point is invalid to me. I can make over 550 rwhp and 900 tq with just a 500 dollar tune for my old 6.4 powerstroke. Must make it even more superior than the 5.0 or ls3. You fail to understand you are buying 4 cams instead of one cam. And money don't mean **** if you have it to spend like some people do.
05-07-2014, 07:19 AM
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Getting air through 2 holes is easier than through 1, so they don't need massive lift. That's part of what makes DOHC engines such a big deal, particularly at high rpm.
Think of when you're blowing up your g/f and find she's been popped again.. air flows more easily...
J/K...
I noticed the compliment on the 5L... Nice.
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By which vane definition?
Must be fuel... wait, no... hp per liter... wait, no... dammitman! What is it!
The LS swap is so much more common because the LS has been around since 1997. Before that, for years, decades even, the SBC and SBF were far more common swaps... that's progression.
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Think of when you're blowing up your g/f and find she's been popped again.. air flows more easily...
J/K... I noticed the compliment on the 5L... Nice.
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By which vane definition?
Must be fuel... wait, no... hp per liter... wait, no... dammitman! What is it!
The LS swap is so much more common because the LS has been around since 1997. Before that, for years, decades even, the SBC and SBF were far more common swaps... that's progression.
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other than that it's much cheaper to make n/a power out of a ls. Look around.....it's even easy enough to do ls7 stuff for a reasonable price.
05-07-2014, 07:28 AM
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What are you guys even arguing about anymore? Yeessh. Yeah both platforms have their pros and cons. Sure you might pay a little more to get a 5.0 to 500whp but guess what, that's money that doesn't have to go toward the ticking time bomb known as a 10 bolt.
05-07-2014, 07:53 AM
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The LS swap is so much more common because the LS has been around since 1997. Before that, for years, decades even, the SBC and SBF were far more common swaps... that's progression.
As for the (discontinued) L92, you're talking about building a used engine vs buying a new engine. Buying an LS3 with 430hp can set you back a tad as well. For example: GM Perfromance part # 19257530 ... LS3... $7,909.97 from Summit Racing.
As cam for the Coyote camshaft pricing... $1,500 will get you COMP stuff and that's fine, but a Ford set is about 1/2 that price. Conversely, you can spend $800-1,600 for a rocker arm kit for the L92. Point is, things are just different and if we're talking about new vs new, pricing isn't that far off.
You don't need an aftermarket rocker for an LS. Springs kit, pushrods, custom cam and trunion upgrade will run you 800-900. Still $600 less and WORLDS easier to install. My point still stands.
05-07-2014, 10:36 AM
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Yep, good and bad to both. Build what you want and have fun.
05-07-2014, 10:43 AM
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Some of you should see what these 5.0s are doing without the hate.
I am seeing a lot of guys going with Coyote swaps in Sn95s,New Edges, hell even 94-95 Cobras. There are already Coyote stock classes in NMRA too. Lot of guys who have the coin(that is only drawback sans the truck motor) give serious thoughts to the Coyote. Its capable of living a long time behind boost unlike an LS1/6. The LS truck motors is comparable since guys who want to boost find it appealing though. Coyote swaps are def on the rise and taking a big bite out of Ford guys who were considering LS power plants
I am seeing a lot of guys going with Coyote swaps in Sn95s,New Edges, hell even 94-95 Cobras. There are already Coyote stock classes in NMRA too. Lot of guys who have the coin(that is only drawback sans the truck motor) give serious thoughts to the Coyote. Its capable of living a long time behind boost unlike an LS1/6. The LS truck motors is comparable since guys who want to boost find it appealing though. Coyote swaps are def on the rise and taking a big bite out of Ford guys who were considering LS power plants
You're such a nice guy.
I'm here for the gangb---errr hugs I mean.
05-07-2014, 10:46 AM
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I was going to go there but decided not to...I enjoyed his comment about making his own 4.2 ratio rockers.
Yep. It's only been on the streets since 2010 and LS guys are all like WHERE ARE ALL THE SWAPS!??!! LSLYFEBRUH!
You're such a nice guy.
Yep.
But but but but I read online that I should just stick an LSsomething in it?
I'm here for the gangb---errr hugs I mean.
Yep. It's only been on the streets since 2010 and LS guys are all like WHERE ARE ALL THE SWAPS!??!! LSLYFEBRUH!
You're such a nice guy.
Yep.
But but but but I read online that I should just stick an LSsomething in it?
I'm here for the gangb---errr hugs I mean.
05-07-2014, 10:48 AM
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Indeed, cam swap plus any or every other mod under the sun except for heads or a power adder. It's the losest term anyone can come up with. Too bad the dude said just a cam change, as in he was trying to make it sound like a cam alone is going to make that kind of power. Why I said he makes a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to LSx anything. But just like the LS3, the 5.0 can make over 500whp "cam only" also. They're both awesome production engines, it's just that some people try to beat one down just because the other may be a little better in certain ways. They're ignorance is annoying.
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05-07-2014, 10:53 AM
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I don't think we're going to convince 4.slow of anything. He seems pretty set on being narrow-minded. That's his choice I suppose, but I personally enjoy learning about everything out there. I've seen impressive setups from just about every manufacturer out there, if he isn't willing to appreciate the hobby as a whole, it's his loss.
05-07-2014, 10:54 AM
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I don't think we're going to convince 4.slow of anything. He seems pretty set on being narrow-minded. That's his choice I suppose, but I personally enjoy learning about everything out there. I've seen impressive setups from just about every manufacturer out there, if he isn't willing to appreciate the hobby as a whole, it's his loss.
05-07-2014, 10:54 AM
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05-07-2014, 11:21 AM
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I don't even know, it's some weird mix of which is the better motor and if the coyote will equal or surpass the LS in popularity. All I've gathered is 4.slow is a ******* idiot and the ford guys semi butthurt that people think the 5.0 won't be as popular as a swap option as the LS is.