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Old 07-10-2016, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by "MAC"
My willingness to learn is just fine. I know exactly what synchros do for a manual transmission. All I'm getting at is you keep saying the same thing hio says but have no data to back it up. Hell you just out a lighter clutch in, couldn't drive the car most of the year bc of your harsh winters, then the rear end broke twice. So tell us exactly how many miles you driven with the lighter clutch. Or are you gonna dance around that yet again?





Exactly, I never said it wouldn't however hio is talking like that's what saved his synchros when in fact he has none lol.
So how do synchro's work mac? Why would a light clutch make a difference?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
So how do synchro's work mac? Why would a light clutch make a difference?
Do rockers in essence give a car a different cam?
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Mac still lost
Unlike you I know what I'm talking about you seem to follow the crowd to feel like you belong.


Originally Posted by big hammer
So how do synchro's work mac? Why would a light clutch make a difference?
Again I'll gladly answer your questions once you answer mine. Until then keep dancing around it.


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Do rockers in essence give a car a different cam?
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Originally Posted by "MAC"
My willingness to learn is just fine. I know exactly what synchros do for a manual transmission. All I'm getting at is you keep saying the same thing hio says but have no data to back it up. Hell you just out a lighter clutch in, couldn't drive the car most of the year bc of your harsh winters, then the rear end broke twice. So tell us exactly how many miles you driven with the lighter clutch. Or are you gonna dance around that yet again?





Exactly, I never said it wouldn't however hio is talking like that's what saved his synchros when in fact he has none lol.
No....your dumbass just avoided the data till cory chimed in. You obviously have no ******* clue or you wouldn't butch about the faceplates. If a light clutch is easier on my fp then common motherfucking sense says it's easier on syncros to you stupid ****.
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Do rockers in essence give a car a different cam?
No....the cam stays identical......it's not like change the degrees of the cam.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No....the cam stays identical......it's not like change the degrees of the cam.
Nooo, just increases the distance between the valve and the seat.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No....your dumbass just avoided the data till cory chimed in. You obviously have no ******* clue or you wouldn't butch about the faceplates. If a light clutch is easier on my fp then common motherfucking sense says it's easier on syncros to you stupid ****.
So you have 0 experience with a light weight clutch and synchro's? Thanks for admitting that. Good talk maybe next time you'll actually speak on something you have experience with rather than make assumptions
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Originally Posted by "MAC"
So you have 0 experience with a light weight clutch and synchro's? Thanks for admitting that. Good talk maybe next time you'll actually speak on something you have experience with rather than make assumptions
Coming from someone that can't even make a logical statement..
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No....the cam stays identical......it's not like change the degrees of the cam.
Does lift change?

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Nooo, just increases the distance between the valve and the seat.
Does this mean that the valveamajigit and the seat thingy being further apart altered the operation and specs of the camamjigit?
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Does lift change?



Does this mean that the valveamajigit and the seat thingy being further apart altered the operation and specs of the camamjigit?
Being the higher rocker ratio increases lift at every given part of the cam lobe during it's cycle..

I would have to say yes, yes it does.
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Originally Posted by 99peweterls1
Nooo, just increases the distance between the valve and the seat.
Still don't change the cam....or the degree of the cam
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So you have 0 experience with a light weight clutch and synchro's? Thanks for admitting that. Good talk maybe next time you'll actually speak on something you have experience with rather than make assumptions
You stupid ****......yes i do. My 5/6 gear are syncro'd. Nathans car had a light clutch and syncro's. That 2 to your 0.

Not a good talk with....you're to ****** stupid to understand anything.
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Coming from someone that can't even make a logical statement..
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Does lift change?



Does this mean that the valveamajigit and the seat thingy being further apart altered the operation and specs of the camamjigit?
Sure it changes lift.....but the cam is identical. Not quite as effective as degreeing your cams tho.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No....the cam stays identical......it's not like change the degrees of the cam.
it does change the lift duration @ .050" lift. it unshrouds the valves more and increases the effective duration/area under teh cam lobe curve. the only thing it doesnt change is lobe seperation. hammer changed to an early cam and probably retarded it a few degrees also.
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Rockers are a nice little bolt on. Cheap and easy.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Rockers are a nice little bolt oin. Cheap and easy.
Yeah, they are a nice little mod. Similar gains to E85 on a Br0
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Yeah, they are a nice little mod. Similar gains to E85 on a Br0
Yeah depending on who does the tuning for sure
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Originally Posted by assasinator
it does change the lift duration @ .050" lift. it unshrouds the valves more and increases the effective duration/area under teh cam lobe curve. the only thing it doesnt change is lobe seperation. hammer changed to an early cam and probably retarded it a few degrees also.
But the cam stays the same.
Originally Posted by big hammer
Rockers are a nice little bolt on. Cheap and easy.
Yea decent
Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Yeah, they are a nice little mod. Similar gains to E85 on a Br0
Not at all....e85 gains more. Rockers may be worth 1/3 of e85. Maybe less. I gained 4hp with rockers. E85 is in the 12-20hp range.
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I think sometimes people use dyno sheets from poor tuners for e85 gains
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
But the cam stays the same.

Yea decent

Not at all....e85 gains more. Rockers may be worth 1/3 of e85. Maybe less. I gained 4hp with rockers. E85 is in the 12-20hp range.
cmon doug. you of all people should know peak HP doesn't tell the whole story
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Yeah, they are a nice little mod. Similar gains to E85 on a Br0
Originally Posted by big hammer
Yeah depending on who does the tuning for sure
So with my E85... cancels out Phils rockers powah for powah... but his Long tubes got meh. His no cats got meh. I will probably delete my cats before we meet up anyway... it's next on the list. Our cars are fairly close right now with me on E85 and on my full street tire setup. His car runs good for sure.


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