Epic SRK B/S thread of 2019
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Mike Morris (07-20-2019)
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Wonder what TR is getting at with the LT1 rods and pistons here..... I'm not convinced they are unreliable.
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I already said OPGs not a bolt on. Neither is drop in pistons. Im not sure where this is going. Usually tunes with boosted LT1s have to be concervative in order to protect piston, either by extra enrichment or less timing, same with coyotes at around 800whp. Once drop in pistons and rods get added most people will send it. So although those don't add power, they allow it. OPGs doesn't allow for more aggressive tuning. Lund wont say, "oh **** Carlos, you added OPGs and CS? Hold up let me throw extra sauce at it!", but likely would if I said I have forged rods and pistons.
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I was looking at LT N/A vs F/I research last night and I ran across Pony Wars video (hadn’t seen it before) and from stock to the $5k budget the 17SS out dynoed, et and trapped the 17GT - in the 1/4 mile. Pretty straight forward the LT is a beast.
Then they added the Prochargers and said the Mustang wanted a more rounded build where the Camaro was looking for all out power and therefore they pulled the LT and replaced the pistons then did suspension work to the Mustang.
Then the LT dynoed 20hp more, but here’s where I noticed something odd.
This isn’t to knock anyone or car at all just observation on the video.
The Mustang ran quicker et and trap with less power and now they weren’t testing 1/4 mile as 2 previous times, they were testing 1/8 mile?
I’ll post screen shot they have in vid. Wonder why it went from1/4 to 1/8? They both (autos) should pick up 30 mph on the back of the track. Odd to me.
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I already said OPGs not a bolt on. Neither is drop in pistons. Im not sure where this is going. Usually tunes with boosted LT1s have to be concervative in order to protect piston, either by extra enrichment or less timing, same with coyotes at around 800whp. Once drop in pistons and rods get added most people will send it. So although those don't add power, they allow it. OPGs doesn't allow for more aggressive tuning. Lund wont say, "oh **** Carlos, you added OPGs and CS? Hold up let me throw extra sauce at it!", but likely would if I said I have forged rods and pistons.
Ive mentioned several times ways to address that.
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Mike Morris (07-20-2019)
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If I keep the Mustang (trying to not buy another C6Z get my wife upset) I’m not swapping them out. It’ll be Hellion Sleeper kit but no opg’s.
I was looking at LT N/A vs F/I research last night and I ran across Pony Wars video (hadn’t seen it before) and from stock to the $5k budget the 17SS out dynoed, et and trapped the 17GT - in the 1/4 mile. Pretty straight forward the LT is a beast.
Then they added the Prochargers and said the Mustang wanted a more rounded build where the Camaro was looking for all out power and therefore they pulled the LT and replaced the pistons then did suspension work to the Mustang. They don’t appear to have replaced OPGs from what I saw.
Then the LT dynoed 20hp more, but here’s where I noticed something odd.
This isn’t to knock anyone or car at all just observation on the video.
The Mustang ran quicker et and trap with less power and now they weren’t testing 1/4 mile as 2 previous times, they were testing 1/8 mile?
I’ll post screen shot they have in vid. Wonder why it went from1/4 to 1/8? They both (autos) should pick up 30 mph on the back of the track. Odd to me.
I was looking at LT N/A vs F/I research last night and I ran across Pony Wars video (hadn’t seen it before) and from stock to the $5k budget the 17SS out dynoed, et and trapped the 17GT - in the 1/4 mile. Pretty straight forward the LT is a beast.
Then they added the Prochargers and said the Mustang wanted a more rounded build where the Camaro was looking for all out power and therefore they pulled the LT and replaced the pistons then did suspension work to the Mustang. They don’t appear to have replaced OPGs from what I saw.
Then the LT dynoed 20hp more, but here’s where I noticed something odd.
This isn’t to knock anyone or car at all just observation on the video.
The Mustang ran quicker et and trap with less power and now they weren’t testing 1/4 mile as 2 previous times, they were testing 1/8 mile?
I’ll post screen shot they have in vid. Wonder why it went from1/4 to 1/8? They both (autos) should pick up 30 mph on the back of the track. Odd to me.
Now......using the power is another issue. All that tq is harder to control. Because tq is power.
They were having issues with the power of the camaro getting it to hook up.
Great series tho. I can't say i would choose some of the same mods but they did decent overall on how most mods those cars.
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The lt dyno'd only 20 more hp.....tq is power. And it smashed the mustang in tq.
Now......using the power is another issue. All that tq is harder to control. Because tq is power.
They were having issues with the power of the camaro getting it to hook up.
Great series tho. I can't say i would choose some of the same mods but they did decent overall on how most mods those cars.
Now......using the power is another issue. All that tq is harder to control. Because tq is power.
They were having issues with the power of the camaro getting it to hook up.
Great series tho. I can't say i would choose some of the same mods but they did decent overall on how most mods those cars.
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Honestly don't care if its protecting the tooth fairy. Just going by what ive heard their vendors and shops say. My comment is still valid, IF Poppa had OPGs its no difference than a z06 with a "fixed" head. Still a bolt on car.
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I already said OPGs not a bolt on. Neither is drop in pistons. Im not sure where this is going. Usually tunes with boosted LT1s have to be concervative in order to protect piston, either by extra enrichment or less timing, same with coyotes at around 800whp. Once drop in pistons and rods get added most people will send it. So although those don't add power, they allow it. OPGs doesn't allow for more aggressive tuning. Lund wont say, "oh **** Carlos, you added OPGs and CS? Hold up let me throw extra sauce at it!", but likely would if I said I have forged rods and pistons.
My advice is to stay away from 93 and run a mix of E or if no E then use Meth with pump. LT1 needs the octane and cooling so you can keep the timing up...makes a world of difference on the outcome. Not sure why so many have trouble grasping this. The LT1 can not even hit MBT with 93 pump NA, which is why they gain so much power from just a flex fuel tune and E85. So trying to add boost with 93 on a engine that can't even reach peak timing NA doesn't make a lot of sense in my mind. All these Supercharger companies try to sell kits claiming you can, but that is only because if added in the fuel system upgrades to the cost of the supercharger to do things correctly, the OEM probably wouldn't sell nearly as many kits.
Far as the argument of OPG or crank gears, if it's not a part that came in the engine then it's not SBE....bolt-on or not. Same goes for anything GM needs to help it support more power. You guys need to just let these Stips die...for real. Do what you need to do to make the car handle the power more safely within your budget. It don't bother me if Nanner had OPG, big deal. His car ran good I give it props.
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Sounds like you're easily lost. Not a bolt on. For all arguments when it comes to adding power Poppa had a bolt on car. DB had or has a c6z06 that they basically went in to the heads to prevent it from failing during operation, they said nothing else was touched, I believe them, its still a bolt on Z06.
Once again, Poppa went faster with bolt ons than the other fella with the Auto LS1.
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Any bolt on coyotards in here beet my ol bolt on ls1 yet?
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