I Hate Cocky 5.0 Owners!!!!
09-20-2005, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
You have lowered you stock 5.0 dyno #'s from previous posts in this forum, and have increased the amount of mods needed to reach your 25 rwhp. You keep changing things. Your 1st post said gheto ramair, mobil1 and short belt=25rwhp. This would make 215 ish rwhp from your previous idea of stock 5.0 dyno #'s. And yes, stock 5.0's dyno from 180-190rwhp.
09-20-2005, 05:15 PM
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my bro used to have a 89 GT back in the day. He never modded it and yet loved the car to death. To this day i have no idea how he did that.
I'm starting to see a lot more 5.0's recently, must be coming out of the woodwork for some reason. anyway, I think that mentality comes from the owners thinking their cars are made of the same old school badassness of the 60s musclecars. Sad, but i think that's where it comes from.
Oh well, ignorance looses races, and gives me money.
I'm starting to see a lot more 5.0's recently, must be coming out of the woodwork for some reason. anyway, I think that mentality comes from the owners thinking their cars are made of the same old school badassness of the 60s musclecars. Sad, but i think that's where it comes from.
Oh well, ignorance looses races, and gives me money.
09-20-2005, 07:09 PM
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Yes they are cocky, but so was i with my 85 and 87 Iroc-z Camaros. The 305 TPI was slow.. I didnt know any different. I was 16. I thought i had a real race car.... ****** things were slow as all get out once you look at their times/power. They just dont know any better. Simple as that... They havent understood the concept that there will ALWAYS be someone faster...
09-20-2005, 07:58 PM
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They love 'em because they have never driven anything with torque before - never felt anything that would push em back in the seat. You think "Wow, I must be fast now"!
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09-20-2005, 09:19 PM
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Redneck Z, I DID STATE, that 200rwhp was norm, I later digressed and corrected that to 190ish rwhp. Which I more than backed up with the links I posted. Moblie one, I hear is worth 2 rwhp or so, is it? I dont know, maybe, maybe not, thats why i simply left it OUT of my numbers I stated (25, not 27 rwhp). It is a good idea if you run it at the strip though. And yes, ghetto ram air, (which includes removing air silencer) and a short belt will hit your 25 rwhp gain, assuming you have good plugs/wires, etc. and your engine isnt shot. My version of the short belt excludes both the AC and the smog pump. That is worth 10-15 rwhp easily. March advertises a 25 hp gain with their ram air kit, but that sounds fishy, so I assume it at roughly half that...After all, if a LT1 really does make 17 rwhp off of a moroso cold air kit (mine felt stronger than stock and had the morosoe) Then why couldnt ram air make 15 in a 5.0? Sure, less displacement, but also more effect for the mod.
I agree, a 5.0 isnt a 5.7, but come on, give credit where credit is due, I dont go around saying H/C LS1's put out only 375-385 rwhp just b/c one did, I give them credit. Thats like me saying heads and cam on an LS1 are worth only 50rwhp. Assuming the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST LS1 dyno (what, like 330ish?) and the LOWEST H/C dyno (I saw a guy complaining about getting 380 or so). That means a H/C LS1 will run the quarter in the mid to high 12's, because 10hp is worth .1 et. in the 1/4 and stock they run low 13's, so naturally, 50 rwhp will net mid/high 12's and thats all H/C LS1's are good for, right? See my point, you can twist numbers how you want, but the hard facts still remain....H/C LS1's are LOW 12's cars or better and a shortbelt/ghetto ram air 5.0 is about 25hp healthier than before.
I agree, a 5.0 isnt a 5.7, but come on, give credit where credit is due, I dont go around saying H/C LS1's put out only 375-385 rwhp just b/c one did, I give them credit. Thats like me saying heads and cam on an LS1 are worth only 50rwhp. Assuming the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST LS1 dyno (what, like 330ish?) and the LOWEST H/C dyno (I saw a guy complaining about getting 380 or so). That means a H/C LS1 will run the quarter in the mid to high 12's, because 10hp is worth .1 et. in the 1/4 and stock they run low 13's, so naturally, 50 rwhp will net mid/high 12's and thats all H/C LS1's are good for, right? See my point, you can twist numbers how you want, but the hard facts still remain....H/C LS1's are LOW 12's cars or better and a shortbelt/ghetto ram air 5.0 is about 25hp healthier than before.
09-20-2005, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Redneck Z, I DID STATE, that 200rwhp was norm, I later digressed and corrected that to 190ish rwhp. Which I more than backed up with the links I posted. Moblie one, I hear is worth 2 rwhp or so, is it? I dont know, maybe, maybe not, thats why i simply left it OUT of my numbers I stated (25, not 27 rwhp). It is a good idea if you run it at the strip though. And yes, ghetto ram air, (which includes removing air silencer) and a short belt will hit your 25 rwhp gain, assuming you have good plugs/wires, etc. and your engine isnt shot. My version of the short belt excludes both the AC and the smog pump. That is worth 10-15 rwhp easily. March advertises a 25 hp gain with their ram air kit, but that sounds fishy, so I assume it at roughly half that...After all, if a LT1 really does make 17 rwhp off of a moroso cold air kit (mine felt stronger than stock and had the morosoe) Then why couldnt ram air make 15 in a 5.0? Sure, less displacement, but also more effect for the mod.
I agree, a 5.0 isnt a 5.7, but come on, give credit where credit is due, I dont go around saying H/C LS1's put out only 375-385 rwhp just b/c one did, I give them credit. Thats like me saying heads and cam on an LS1 are worth only 50rwhp. Assuming the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST LS1 dyno (what, like 330ish?) and the LOWEST H/C dyno (I saw a guy complaining about getting 380 or so). That means a H/C LS1 will run the quarter in the mid to high 12's, because 10hp is worth .1 et. in the 1/4 and stock they run low 13's, so naturally, 50 rwhp will net mid/high 12's and thats all H/C LS1's are good for, right? See my point, you can twist numbers how you want, but the hard facts still remain....H/C LS1's are LOW 12's cars or better and a shortbelt/ghetto ram air 5.0 is about 25hp healthier than before.
I agree, a 5.0 isnt a 5.7, but come on, give credit where credit is due, I dont go around saying H/C LS1's put out only 375-385 rwhp just b/c one did, I give them credit. Thats like me saying heads and cam on an LS1 are worth only 50rwhp. Assuming the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST LS1 dyno (what, like 330ish?) and the LOWEST H/C dyno (I saw a guy complaining about getting 380 or so). That means a H/C LS1 will run the quarter in the mid to high 12's, because 10hp is worth .1 et. in the 1/4 and stock they run low 13's, so naturally, 50 rwhp will net mid/high 12's and thats all H/C LS1's are good for, right? See my point, you can twist numbers how you want, but the hard facts still remain....H/C LS1's are LOW 12's cars or better and a shortbelt/ghetto ram air 5.0 is about 25hp healthier than before.
QUOTE: March advertises a 25 hp gain with their ram air kit, but that sounds fishy
Exactly....magazine ricer math. The ram air hoods are supposed to add something like 20 hp. Do they really? You have to go by what dyno's have shown and not try to add hp by what magazines say a mod produces.
ps. If I said 27rwhp that was a mis-print.
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09-20-2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
. the shortbelt eliminating the smog pump and the AC is worth another 10-15 rwhp.
and the stock 302 is very cheap to mod, but not one thing at a time. Exhaust and bolt-ons are great, but e7 heads will never get you anywhere, and when you upgrade heads you need a ported stock or an upgraded intake. However the stock 5.0 cam is good for the low/midrange powerband.
09-20-2005, 10:30 PM
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They may only put out 190+/- rwhp stock but the R&D is endless. The great thing that the 302 has that the GM camp doesn't, is the ability to be a sleeper. When you pull up to a 5.0 you don't know if you up against a 15 sec barn burner or a single digit window maker. They sound and look the same. That's pretty cool IMO. Maybe that's why some of the younger crowd tries to imitate.
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09-20-2005, 10:30 PM
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Stang88 may be right.... http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...eltrouting.jpg
70.5" belt shaved 2 tenths off a 5.0's ET. It also gained 1.5mph. If you pluck the silencer, add a ram air system and switch to full synthetics 3 tenths should be doable.
70.5" belt shaved 2 tenths off a 5.0's ET. It also gained 1.5mph. If you pluck the silencer, add a ram air system and switch to full synthetics 3 tenths should be doable.
09-20-2005, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mattkimsey
Stang88 may be right.... http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...eltrouting.jpg
70.5" belt shaved 2 tenths off a 5.0's ET. It also gained 1.5mph. If you pluck the silencer, add a ram air system and switch to full synthetics 3 tenths should be doable.
70.5" belt shaved 2 tenths off a 5.0's ET. It also gained 1.5mph. If you pluck the silencer, add a ram air system and switch to full synthetics 3 tenths should be doable.
09-20-2005, 11:46 PM
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^^http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/1...ox/index.shtml
It's on a carbed 302, but I think it would still show some gains on fuel injected 5.0.
It's on a carbed 302, but I think it would still show some gains on fuel injected 5.0.
09-21-2005, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
We know it shows some gains...but 25rwhp? 
09-21-2005, 12:43 AM
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Oh, and I meant 20-25rwhp for those mods. It MIGHT take a crank pulley to reach the 25rwhp mark....It seems like a lot of mods, but it's actually less than $50 if you make your own ram air or buy a used one.
09-21-2005, 12:58 AM
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Haha i started tihs thread to talk about some cocky kid in the hood. but now its on to how much power a short belt adds in a 5.0? ahaha i love ls1tech 
09-21-2005, 02:40 AM
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I was just thinking that, I posted here cause I'll be honest I hate stangs, and it's turned into how much horespower a shortbelt can give you. WHO THE HELL CARES? everyone knows 5.0's are easy to mod but you dont' have to argue about stuff like this. Come on guys, I thought LS1Tech was more responisble than this
kidding, this thread rocks *****!
I was just thinking that, I posted here cause I'll be honest I hate stangs, and it's turned into how much horespower a shortbelt can give you. WHO THE HELL CARES? everyone knows 5.0's are easy to mod but you dont' have to argue about stuff like this. Come on guys, I thought LS1Tech was more responisble than this
kidding, this thread rocks *****!
09-21-2005, 02:49 AM
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haha yea...well ijust want to let you all know i get my car back tommarow and i have a date with a 5.0 at about 10 pm at about 20mph 
i figure i will be done with him 10 cars lengths later?..hahaha oh i cant wait
i figure i will be done with him 10 cars lengths later?..hahaha oh i cant wait
09-21-2005, 09:05 AM
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I ran my friends 5.0 one time from 20mph. It was a 5m, 3.73 gear, CAI,pullies, full exhaust LX(hatckback) had around 180K miles on it. 20-60 I pulled MAYBE 3 feet on him. 60+ I started to get moving...This was in my A4 1995 2.73 LT1 Trans Am with CAI. You should have no problem with your 5.0 assuming he is close to stock.
As to JUST raim air OR short belt, no, but BOTH put togather on a well running 5.0 (read, timing at 10*+ (most leave the factory at as low as 6* and most around 8-9*) mine is set at 16*) should net close to 25rwhp, if not, you can bump the timing up to 14-18* and run 93 oct. and definitely hit the 25rwhp.
As to JUST raim air OR short belt, no, but BOTH put togather on a well running 5.0 (read, timing at 10*+ (most leave the factory at as low as 6* and most around 8-9*) mine is set at 16*) should net close to 25rwhp, if not, you can bump the timing up to 14-18* and run 93 oct. and definitely hit the 25rwhp.