1998LS1SS

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I’m a new owner of a 98 SS A4, 70k with 373's and NOTHING else. No lid (jus ordered it) NOTHING. Well, a friend of mine just recently bought a 02 WS6 M6 40k COPLETELY STOCK. We raced at a 20mph roll and he took me, not by a little but by like 4 cars by the time we were at 90mph . I was disappointed but this is the catch, I had a full car he had one passenger that weighs like 100 pounds and the people I was driving around with weigh like 200 pounds a piece X 3=600pds extra!!!!!!!! Will this really make an equivalence of losing by 4 cars? Empty will my 373’s be enough to keep up with him or even beat him?

98TADRIVER

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they say every 100lbs = 1/10th of a second also 98 SS run 13.6 stock 02 WS6 with a good driver runs high 12s so if they were 200lbs a piece thats 6/10ths of a second. run em again

BriancWS6

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Well stock vs stock from a 20 roll, an M6 definately has the advantage. Plus his is an 02, so it has the LS6 intake as well.

You were definately at a disadvantage with the extra weight, but with just you and just him in the cars, he should still pull you all the way.

Just do it again and let us know the outcome.

1998LS1SS

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Yeah i probably will race him again, i guess even though i have 273's i wont beat him because he is a M6 and the ls6 intake, but hopefully when i get my lid and am alone it will be much closer race.

BLKWS.6

race him from a 25 mph roll or a 65 mph roll, NOT IN BETWEEN!!!

2.73 Vette

That remark about 1998 SS camaros pullin 13.6 and the 03 ws6 runnin high 12's is BS....

Put them on a dyno and there MAY be a 5 rwhp advantage for the ws6..

They also have the same weight.....

Youve got like a 1 and 10,000 chance of hitting 12's stock on any F body...

The WS6 is usualy 1-2 tenths quicker than the ss camaro...But power has nonthing to do with it....It's much easier for the mag rags and actual owners to get 1.9 60 fts out of the Bird than the camaro....The camaro is easy for 2.0's...While the C5 is even worst at hooking than the camaro and is easy to get 2.1's with....

Do you have 3.73's or 2.73's? I think you did a typo on one of them...

The typical 2.73 a4 SS 1999 camaro is gonna do NO BETTER than 13.6 at 103 mph.....

The typical 3.42 mn6 WS6 is gonna do no better than 13.2 at 106 mph....

That would be a 4 car length butt woopin....

If you said you have 3.73's in your 99 a4 SS camaro...

The 3.73's vrs 2.73's should be good for 4 tenths and 4 mph...

Putting you at 13.2 at 107 mph...If thats the case then it's a drivers race.

00TAProject

02 ws6 will go into the high 12's, Check BriancWS6's sig..granted he had a lid at that point....but still mainly stock

1998LS1SS

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Sorry for the typo, but yeah i have 373's, hopefully i will race him next time with no one in the car and with a lid instead of the stock aibox. Thanks for the replies guys.

SSilverSSurfer

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yeah tony (Nine Ball) hit 12's stock in his SS...it can be done so get over it

1998LS1SS

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Well i raced him again. Well, he didnt want to go from a dig so we went from like a 10 mph roll. I jumped like a half a car then he slowly walked me untill i was at his door. Than we just stayed side by side and shut down at 130ish. Best race ive had, if from a stop it would have been even closer, probably even beat him.

Redneck Z

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Actually the f-body's I've seen run 12's have been 98's. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but there definately isn't a big difference between any of the 98-02 f-body's. What's up with everyone thinking the LS6 intakes make the 01-02's alot faster? Talk about a myth. The LS6 intake on a stock f-body is good for probably 2rwhp. Everyone forgets the 98's come with a bigger cam and more aggressive timing. When everything is tallied, all years are REAL close in terms of performance. And back on topic: I think the difference in the cars in question probably have more to do with an M6 vs. auto, and the newer M6 might be stronger because it's newer, and also probably has newer plugs, wires, etc.

Z2K_MrJ

Even tho they are the same car and motor.. preety much.. some Cars Just REACT differ then others with the smallest MOds such as the LID that you dont have.. his car is newer and has the ls6 intake to boot. i have allways belived that a newer car is allways faster then last yrs models. So he should PULL on you if ur car is a A4 going from 20 make sure you put it in 1st yourself.. or you will Really will be smashed. Keep us INformd

Redneck Z

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How funny, you are one of the guys I was talking about in my post....

Yeah, I know what you're saying about a newer car always being faster than older models...Kind of like how the 97 mustang GT is sooo much faster than an 89 GT. Or maybe like how the 04 mustang GT's are way faster than the 99 GT's. Or how bout the 97 Z28 and the 96Z28...haha Just messin with you....I couldn't resist.

00TAProject

Sounds likea really good race...Congrats...NOW get ya some headers, full exhaust, lid and wake her up!! LMAO
Have fun and enjoy yer ride, they are fun!!

white mongoose

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i agree with u redneck i have a 98ss and ran it all stock with air intake and ran a 13.00 flat and i dont think the ls6 intake is a big deal i have beaten o1,02 like nothing i think what matters is the driver

HartAttack

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A myth?
I disagree.
Typically the '01-'02 cars are alittle bit quicker. The 241 casting heads flow better then the 853's. The ls6 intake flows about 5-10 hp more when the car is stock. The manifolds flow more as well.
I had a '98 Z28 a few years ago, and i raced a buddy with an '02 z28.
I had a lid, free mods, cutout,msd wires,ngk tr55's,and just replaced the fuel filter. He had only cut off his muffler.
We raced about 10 different times, and he would always get me about a car lenth every time on the top end. This is from a roll and also from a dig. different mph's for rolls as well. same outcome. Even at first, then he would get a slow pull. I even had a couple mods. no driver error either.
I have seen it at dyno days time and time again. 01-01 cars put down more typically then 98-00 ls1's. typically about 10-15 hp/tq more. The races i have had as well as the races other friends i know have had show the same thing, both on the street on at the track.

I disagree about newer cars always being faster, that is bs.I dont even need to explain this. Common sense.IMO
12's has been done over and over again with stock cars. It is not a myth either. my '98 z28 did 12.99 at 106 with a 2.00 60ft. I know personally three other people that hit 12 second passes. The fastest one was a '02 SS. 12.78 @ 107...stock as a rock. 1.9 60ft on street radials. not drag.
There are plenty of other people on this site that have done it as well.

Redneck z...
I dont suppose your on NorCal-ls1 are you? I used to live in Citrus Heights also. Might of heard the name DAREDVL before? If not nevermind.

HartAttack

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2.73 Vette your facts are wrong sir...
1,in 10,000 chance to hit 12's ...that complete bs.
the ws6 being 2 tenths faster is BS...z28's are lighter then even the formula's.
I know this for a fact because i have a formula now, and have had a z28. even that being the case their difference is so slight. no even enough for 2 tenths.
But a 2 tenth difference for a 98-00 stock f-body vs a 01-02 stock f-body with equal drivers is normal.

373 gears will get you an increase in ET with tires to match, but no way in hell is it going to give you a 4mph increase. no way at all.Not with a stock f-body.
both cars are capable of 1.9 60 fts with good driver. 2.2 are typical IMO.
Your facts are close sir...but off.

SSmokin99

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I think there's a very very little difference between 98-00 and 01-02. I've raced so many 01-02 LS1's and I lost to only ONE 01-02 LS1 (stock). During these races I was completely stock too.

HartAttack

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Thats easy to see
I took out a couple '01-'02 cars with that '98 i had, but it was because i could drive better then they could. I knew both people i was racing. Its only about 10-15 hp/tq advantage. An advantage that can also be slowed down with things like, .....a big sub box in the back, or big heavy 18 inch rims.
But its enough to win if the driver is any good.And also enough to loose if they are too heavy.
But say If you took a completely stock..only a new tune up... '98-'00 z28 ...and a '01-'02 z28 with a new tune up...and the same exact drivers...the '01-'02 would out mph the '98-00, and dyno more as well. I promise you. I have seen it happen ever since the '01-'02 cars came out.
Its just a fact. IMO.

Camaro 0wner

Yeah, he's going to gain 4mph with a different gear...

I guess a gear makes HP now a days.