Originally Posted by Bend.over

I ALMOST CHOCKED. WHEN I READ THAT LAST LINE. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY? HAVE YOU READ UP ON ANY OF THE NEW STUFF ABOUT THE ECO-TECS? THOSE THINGS ARE KILLER! AND LOVE BOOST. THE MOTOR COMPLETELY STOCK WILL HANDLE UP TO 285HP I THINK. THEN YOU NEED NEW RODS AND LIKE 1 OTHER THING. I USED TO HAVE A BUILD GUIDE THAT HAD ALL THE BREAKING POINTS FOR THE STOCK PARTS.

Originally Posted by Bend.over

I ALMOST CHOCKED. WHEN I READ THAT LAST LINE. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY? HAVE YOU READ UP ON ANY OF THE NEW STUFF ABOUT THE ECO-TECS? THOSE THINGS ARE KILLER! AND LOVE BOOST. THE MOTOR COMPLETELY STOCK WILL HANDLE UP TO 285HP I THINK. THEN YOU NEED NEW RODS AND LIKE 1 OTHER THING. I USED TO HAVE A BUILD GUIDE THAT HAD ALL THE BREAKING POINTS FOR THE STOCK PARTS.

Originally Posted by Evilways

They're bringing back the Camaro only, as a nitche vehicle to sale to the retro craze crowd, and while some enthusiests will buy it as well, it's not meant to be around more than a few years, so no generations after it. As for the Firebird/TA, Bob Lutz stated once when they announced the Fbodies' demise, that he hated the Firebird and there would never be another while he was in charge. As for killing them in the first place, sales were down and the Ricer movement was surging, but what GM didn't realize is when the "rice" crowd grew up , they wanted to get into a real car, but only the GTO was around at the time to quell the thrist, so alot of those who would've moved on to the next logical step after a 4banger FWD, stayed with the overseas competition, only they moved on to the forced induction, higher end imports.Seldom did you ever see the transition from import to corvette, which was the only other powerful rwd car availible from GM, so Ford got all the $$$ with the new mustang style. GM needed to have a stepping stone of sorts, like the Fbody, to keep the transition alive. GM=Failed. I love GM and have had nothing but GM cars, save my SRT8 Charger, since I could drive, but they messed up royally with the F-body death and the (I know some are going to kill me) sad take on the GTO, while the power was there, the weight and unattractivness was as well.

Originally Posted by LS1Transhed

I wouldn't say they dont put enough HP in them. I mean the Neon SRT was like the fastest car in its class, the Cobalt SS wasnt that far behind and the new Caliber SRT is pushing out a lot more power than than either of those cars were... but as far as half assing them.. I agree. I dont think any of them are nearly as attractive as their Japanese competition (aside from the new Impreza... that is one ugly car IMO lol). I hate to say this, but as far as just purely looks go in that market.. Id take a new Lancer, Tiburon, Eclipse or Civic over a Caliber, Cobalt or Focus any day.