subframe connectors
12-16-2012, 08:31 PM
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12-16-2012, 08:39 PM
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This. And anyone who tries to prove otherwise, great shocks or not, jack your car up and watch the doors, hood, hatch, and t-tops not shut. That's proof enough these cars can benefit from connectors. Period. Just installed a set of MCs and strut tower bar on a 94 vert and the owner said it was like a whole different car. And, anyone who says these chassis don't flex like the wind is just showing your inexperience in working on them.
12-16-2012, 08:41 PM
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^ But the Strut bar has arguable "gains" besides being a place to rest rags or your hands while working under the hood.
Plus $250 for Strano springs..
$1609....
May we add some LCA's to that tab, Mr Bond?
$1609....
May we add some LCA's to that tab, Mr Bond?
12-16-2012, 08:42 PM
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Square tube connectors are a dream for people who use floor jacks and jack stands regularly. And, even with connectors the bodies still flex some. It's crazy how flimsy these cars are.
12-16-2012, 08:46 PM
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^ yeah exactly! Can jack the car up by the LCA mounting point and the front end comes up (with SFC's)... 
It's pretty funny the first couple times you see it.
My buddy has the SLP Three points and it's humorous to just stick the jack under there and play pit crew... "CLEAR!! ..... Slam...."
It's pretty funny the first couple times you see it. My buddy has the SLP Three points and it's humorous to just stick the jack under there and play pit crew... "CLEAR!! ..... Slam...."
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12-16-2012, 09:14 PM
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I'm used to the flex of the car, so when I first got my Trailblazer (full framed truck) and jacked it up the whole side lifted and I was like WTH lol
Now i jack up the Camaro and go WTH why does it flex so much!
MWC SFCs are on the 2013 "to-do" list. Along with a bajillion other items (like good shocks). My wallet is already screaming bloody murder at me
Now i jack up the Camaro and go WTH why does it flex so much!
MWC SFCs are on the 2013 "to-do" list. Along with a bajillion other items (like good shocks). My wallet is already screaming bloody murder at me
12-17-2012, 09:49 AM
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If anyone autocrosses it would be nice if they were to chime in here. Most of the discussion has pertained to drag racing. Every test drive/review of a car I have ever read mentions the cars structural rigidity in how the car handles - they don't like body flex when you are taking a hard turn. Above someone mentioned subframe connectors being dead weight with an autocross car. I'd have to disagree. I believe improved structural rigidity would be a good thing in either case.
12-17-2012, 12:19 PM
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I have 2pt UMI tubular bolt ins, I got them cause I noticed my car started getting torque dimples on the quarter panels, nothing too too big but I didnt want it getting worse since the car got painted less than a year ago. I did notice my car felt a little stiffer and my rod ended lca's dont make as much noise.
12-17-2012, 12:41 PM
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The guys that run in NASA's CMC use SFC's for two reasons to make weight for there class and add structural rigididty. Why just add weight bars when you can do it with SFC's. They are mounted low and close to the CG of the car.
12-17-2012, 01:03 PM
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Real world observation right here, call me a noob or whatever, but I put UMI 2 points on my stock car three years ago and it was incredible how much better the car felt. I didn't put my other suspension mods on until last year. IMO the SFC's were worth every penny.
12-18-2012, 06:51 PM
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If anyone autocrosses it would be nice if they were to chime in here. Most of the discussion has pertained to drag racing. Every test drive/review of a car I have ever read mentions the cars structural rigidity in how the car handles - they don't like body flex when you are taking a hard turn. Above someone mentioned subframe connectors being dead weight with an autocross car. I'd have to disagree. I believe improved structural rigidity would be a good thing in either case.
Auto-xers/road racers:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/6709425-post5.html
*Note Sam's Camaro has multiple national SCCA chamionships on it with no chassis stiffening, although the class now allows it...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/6712303-post13.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/6711313-post11.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/6717153-post24.html
This. And anyone who tries to prove otherwise, great shocks or not, jack your car up and watch the doors, hood, hatch, and t-tops not shut. That's proof enough these cars can benefit from connectors. Period. Just installed a set of MCs and strut tower bar on a 94 vert and the owner said it was like a whole different car. And, anyone who says these chassis don't flex like the wind is just showing your inexperience in working on them.
Ive had my car (with no SFC's at the time) teetering between two wheels with the jack on one corner of the car and all the doors opened/closed fine, T-tops came off/on fine and hood/hatch opened/closed fine. These cars flex no where NEAR that. Its pretty much been proven that a STB does nothing as well...
12-19-2012, 12:18 AM
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You can't be serious....
Ive had my car (with no SFC's at the time) teetering between two wheels with the jack on one corner of the car and all the doors opened/closed fine, T-tops came off/on fine and hood/hatch opened/closed fine. These cars flex no where NEAR that. Its pretty much been proven that a STB does nothing as well...