CTS-V brakes, something different
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Taken from another forum:
"The '09 ZR1 units are made by Brembo. They are a Carbon/Ceramic composite rotor but not the Carbon/Carbon racing discs....but close.
The cost for a 4 wheel ZR1 system will be about $14,999.00. By contrast a full Carbon/Carbon racing brake system costs about $22,500. The difference is in the rotor material. The Carbon/Ceramics will not have quite the performance as a Carbon/Carbon disc but are slightly cheaper. The Carbon/Ceramics will have a little less initial bight and a slightly lower heat range/resistance but will be more street friendly....ie. they will be more consistant and functional at a lower heat range (cold).
BTW Brembo has set up a new factory to manufacture the new Carbon /Ceramic brake systems. It's partner in the venture is Daimler-Chysler.
The Brembo racing Carbon/Carbon racing brakes come in 380mm (15 3/8") or 355mm (14") dia and in either 37mm (1 1/2") or 32mm (1 1/4") widths. Most use Pagid 19 pads with the Carbon/Carbon discs.
Likewise the new ZR1 Carbon/Ceramics will come in the similar sizes but a bit larger on the front at 390mm (15 1/2")(Ferrari FXX front) and 380mm (Ferrari Enzo front) in the rear. So they should fit under an 18" racing wheel depending on caliper thickness.
The calipers for the Carbon/Carbon systems are a Monobloc 6 pot front and 4 pot rear as are the new Calipers for the ZR1. Either a 28/30/38 or 30/32/40 for the front pistons and 28/36 for the rear. 8 pot fronts are also available.
Pads and rotors will weigh a lot less and will last a lot longer under racing conditions. You may never need new pads and rotors if only driven on the street.
So the advantages are, less weight, better endurance, ibetter nitial performance, concictant performance and they are basically not effected by moisture.
Disadvantages are very hiigh relative initial cost, higher operating temps requiring increased cooling and using a brake fluid with a DRY boiling point greater than 600*F.
You had better stock up on wheel cleaner though."
"The '09 ZR1 units are made by Brembo. They are a Carbon/Ceramic composite rotor but not the Carbon/Carbon racing discs....but close.
The cost for a 4 wheel ZR1 system will be about $14,999.00. By contrast a full Carbon/Carbon racing brake system costs about $22,500. The difference is in the rotor material. The Carbon/Ceramics will not have quite the performance as a Carbon/Carbon disc but are slightly cheaper. The Carbon/Ceramics will have a little less initial bight and a slightly lower heat range/resistance but will be more street friendly....ie. they will be more consistant and functional at a lower heat range (cold).
BTW Brembo has set up a new factory to manufacture the new Carbon /Ceramic brake systems. It's partner in the venture is Daimler-Chysler.
The Brembo racing Carbon/Carbon racing brakes come in 380mm (15 3/8") or 355mm (14") dia and in either 37mm (1 1/2") or 32mm (1 1/4") widths. Most use Pagid 19 pads with the Carbon/Carbon discs.
Likewise the new ZR1 Carbon/Ceramics will come in the similar sizes but a bit larger on the front at 390mm (15 1/2")(Ferrari FXX front) and 380mm (Ferrari Enzo front) in the rear. So they should fit under an 18" racing wheel depending on caliper thickness.
The calipers for the Carbon/Carbon systems are a Monobloc 6 pot front and 4 pot rear as are the new Calipers for the ZR1. Either a 28/30/38 or 30/32/40 for the front pistons and 28/36 for the rear. 8 pot fronts are also available.
Pads and rotors will weigh a lot less and will last a lot longer under racing conditions. You may never need new pads and rotors if only driven on the street.
So the advantages are, less weight, better endurance, ibetter nitial performance, concictant performance and they are basically not effected by moisture.
Disadvantages are very hiigh relative initial cost, higher operating temps requiring increased cooling and using a brake fluid with a DRY boiling point greater than 600*F.
You had better stock up on wheel cleaner though."
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how?
1500 dealer cost per corner. that is 6K. and the zr1 caliper is 650 dealer cost and the caddy cts-v caliper(same thing as zr1 just doesnt say corvet on it) is 550 dealer cost. so
rotors 6.0K
calipers 2.2K
and what 150 for the front brakes and 110 for rear brakes. so we are less then half of 18K. so even if you say ten to make it up and running . that is bad ***. still do they make pods for f-body so i can use my stock e-brake?
1500 dealer cost per corner. that is 6K. and the zr1 caliper is 650 dealer cost and the caddy cts-v caliper(same thing as zr1 just doesnt say corvet on it) is 550 dealer cost. so
rotors 6.0K
calipers 2.2K
and what 150 for the front brakes and 110 for rear brakes. so we are less then half of 18K. so even if you say ten to make it up and running . that is bad ***. still do they make pods for f-body so i can use my stock e-brake?
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His pics:https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspensio...ke-kit-11.html
Yes, if you use the CTS-V caliper with the C6 Z06 rotor, they bolt right together. That's the whole point. No mods or brackets needed.
What do you mean "is the caliper actually moved in that pic?"? In comparison to what? If you mean F-body calipers, then the mounting legs are a full 1" longer.
I can't help you in the rim clearance stuff.
You better be joking or else
His pics:https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspensio...ke-kit-11.html
What do you mean "is the caliper actually moved in that pic?"? In comparison to what? If you mean F-body calipers, then the mounting legs are a full 1" longer.
I can't help you in the rim clearance stuff.
You better be joking or else
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One the first couple of pages there was questions of the caliper mounting would have to be moved back a 1/2 inch. But I guess that is solved with the different rotor.
Thanks.
Now need to find out if that set up will fit under a 17 inch wheel
Would the brake master cylinder have to be changed or the booster?
Thanks.
Now need to find out if that set up will fit under a 17 inch wheel
Would the brake master cylinder have to be changed or the booster?
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One the first couple of pages there was questions of the caliper mounting would have to be moved back a 1/2 inch. But I guess that is solved with the different rotor.
Thanks.
Now need to find out if that set up will fit under a 17 inch wheel
Would the brake master cylinder have to be changed or the booster?
Thanks.
Now need to find out if that set up will fit under a 17 inch wheel
Would the brake master cylinder have to be changed or the booster?
Some people wanted to use the Brembo CTS-V calipers with their stock 17" rims so they were looking at different offset 13" rotors. You can cut the mounting ears off the spindles and make a bracket that moves the calipers in a small amount (1/4"), but not enough for 13" rotors. Ed is working on brackets to fit 13.5" rotors, but he's been real busy lately. You might be able to fit the 13.5" rotor under your 17's, but nothing is for sure right now.
If you want to fit the 13" vette rotor you will HAVE to use a different caliper.
You don't need to alter your master cylinder or booster.
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I tried to make a simpler one focusing on just the CTS-V calipers and 14" rotors, but it has gotten up to 14 pages.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspensio...brake-kit.html
If I were a mod, I'd take all the good info and put it in a single sticky thread and then close it so it stayed short.
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