Toyota Recalls 2.3 Million Vehicles For Sticking Accelerator Pedal
02-24-2010, 11:55 PM
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Extreme paranoia and conspiracy theories aside, I find VERY difficult to believe that all of this stems from a few floormats getting jammed.
But maybe.
02-25-2010, 12:57 AM
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The only problem with a bunched up floormat is might not being able to press the brake pedal when you're accelerating uncontrollably, not press down on your gas pedal.
02-25-2010, 02:48 AM
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Argh 
http://jalopnik.com/5479384/breaking...yline=true&s=i
BREAKING: FBI Raids Three Toyota Suppliers In Detroit
While Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda sits answering questions on Capitol Hill, the FBI confirmed with us they raided the offices of three Toyota suppliers in Metro Detroit for documents related to antitrust violations. UPDATE!
The FBI just confirmed to us they raided the offices of Yazaki North America, Denso International and Tokai Rika (TRAM). Though all are Toyota supplies they've yet to confirm if this is a part of an ongoing probe into Toyota's 1.4 million unit recall, and a larger antitrust action confirmed by Toyota to MSNBC.
According to Denso spokesperson Bridgette Gollinger "this is not related to the Toyota Recall investigation," though she was unable to comment on what this was related to.
This announcement comes at the same time as Toyota Motor Corp. CEO Akio Toyoda takes the stand in Washington, DC and follows a report that the SEC was looking into the embattled automakers.
The AP reports that this potentially creates:
"new public relations challenges for Toyota plus the prospects - however likely or unlikely - of hefty federal fines or even indictments against executives in the U.S. and Japan. They also complicate Toyota's ability to discuss details driving its recall of 8.5 million vehicles because anything executives say could be used against the company inside a courtroom."
All of this happened yesterday evening and coincides with the announcement (below) by Toyota earlier this week that said they'd cooperate with the Securities and Exchange Commission on inquiries into whether or not it misled investors.
Toyota Statement on SEC Request
On February 19, 2010, Toyota Motor Corporation ("TMC") and Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. ("TMS"), received a voluntary request and a subpoena, respectively, from the Los Angeles office of the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, seeking production of certain documents including those related to unintended acceleration of Toyota vehicles and the company's disclosure policies and practices.
TMC and TMS intend to cooperate with the investigations and are currently preparing their responses.
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Oh no a Toyota whistleblower revealing documents showing a general disregard from Toyota for people who have been injured in their vehicles. Dum dum dum.......
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gfzo3PAF
Quote from article " Biller has accused Toyota of trying to hide "evidence of safety defects from consumers and regulators, and fostered a culture of 'hypocrisy and deceit,'" Been telling people this for years, but nobody listens.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gfzo3PAF
Quote from article " Biller has accused Toyota of trying to hide "evidence of safety defects from consumers and regulators, and fostered a culture of 'hypocrisy and deceit,'" Been telling people this for years, but nobody listens.
02-27-2010, 03:56 AM
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Oh no a Toyota whistleblower revealing documents showing a general disregard from Toyota for people who have been injured in their vehicles. Dum dum dum.......
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gfzo3PAF
Quote from article " Biller has accused Toyota of trying to hide "evidence of safety defects from consumers and regulators, and fostered a culture of 'hypocrisy and deceit,'" Been telling people this for years, but nobody listens.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gfzo3PAF
Quote from article " Biller has accused Toyota of trying to hide "evidence of safety defects from consumers and regulators, and fostered a culture of 'hypocrisy and deceit,'" Been telling people this for years, but nobody listens.
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Honda isn't much better, google honda mileage lawsuit. They were more or less caught messing with the mileage marker's of their car's to void the warranties faster. Forget what the outcome of it was.
02-27-2010, 02:01 PM
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You can find a lot of things with a Google search. How about you try searching "sudden unintended acceleration Ford"? Ironically, when you type in "sudden unintended", the top auto manufacturer that prefills on the list is "sudden unintended acceleration Ford". For those who drink the media's Kool Aid, you'd think Toyota is the only company that's had this problem. The bottom line is, "SUA" is a problem for every automaker, and they're not handling the problem any differently than Toyota.
I find irony in the fact that the our government (the owners of "Government Motors") is singling out the world's largest automaker (their main competition) for this problem.
02-27-2010, 09:21 PM
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Or does it conveniently only go one way with you?
02-27-2010, 11:30 PM
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Sienna's too? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1rCaA90&pos=15
Toyota Claimed ‘Win’ in Handling Sienna Injuries (Update2)
Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. in 2008 succeeded in blocking a formal recall of Sienna minivans linked by U.S. regulators to 98 injuries caused by collapsing liftgates, according to company and U.S. documents.
Instead of issuing a recall under the U.S. Safety Act, Toyota sent letters to owners of 196,222 Sienna vans offering to replace struts on the liftgates as part of a “safety improvement campaign” without acknowledging a defect. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration accepted the response and stopped pressing for a costlier recall, agency documents show.
The Sienna case was among the “wins” cited by the automaker’s Washington office in a memo obtained by a congressional panel investigating the recalls of 8 million Toyota vehicles worldwide for defects that could cause unintended acceleration. The claimed wins saved Toyota $255 million, including $100 million previously reported for less extensive responses to the acceleration issue, according to the memo.
Toyota executives this week underwent two days of congressional hearings during which lawmakers said there was a pattern at the company of failing to respond promptly and adequately to reported safety problems.
“Toyota’s own internal documents indicate that a premium was placed on delaying or closing NHTSA investigations, delaying new safety rules and blocking the discovery of safety defects,” Representative Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat and chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said at a hearing of the panel two days ago.
Prius, Tacoma
Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota’s North American president, testified at the hearing that the Washington office’s memo was presented to him when he assumed his current position last July. The presentation also cited Toyota’s success in limiting responses to reports of defective Prius headlights and of two separate defects in Tacoma pickups, one involving rust and the other unexpected acceleration.
NHTSA opened an investigation of the Tacoma on Feb. 16 as part of a broader probe of vehicles that may have sudden acceleration defects and haven’t been recalled.
Jim Wiseman, Toyota’s vice president for North American corporate communications, said the Washington briefing materials “didn’t represent the views of the company.”
Wiseman said he wasn’t aware of any pending recalls or defect issues. “But the effort going forward is to pursue maximum openness,” he said. “We want to get everything out in the open.”
Struts Replaced
Olivia Alair, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Department, which oversees NHTSA, disputed the contention that Toyota had succeeded in the Sienna matter.
“In a letter to the agency, Toyota agreed to replace the struts free of charge to the consumer to address the problem,” Alair said. “It is unclear why this safety recall was touted as a ‘win’ for the manufacturer.”
As in at least four unrelated cases in which Toyota warded off U.S. recalls involving unintended acceleration allegations, a former NHTSA employee hired by the company took part in negotiations with the agency over handling the reported Sienna problems.
“Although Toyota is willing to identify this campaign as a safety recall in the owner communication about the campaign, Toyota has not determined that the condition described above is a ‘safety-related defect’ within the meaning of the federal vehicle safety laws,” Toyota Vice President Christopher Tinto, the former NHTSA employee, wrote in a May 30, 2008, letter to the agency.
NHTSA Agrees
NHTSA agreed to the lesser classification in a June 25, 2008, report that cited the Toyota letters to owners.
“Based on these actions, the agency had decided to close the investigation,” the report said. “While Toyota has not made a decision that the recalled vehicles contain a safety- related defect, in view of the recall, further use of the agencies’ resources does not appear to be warranted.”
Toyota’s letter was sent to owners of Siennas for model years 2004 to 2006. As of September 2009, the last time Toyota submitted an update to NHTSA, 98,582 vehicles, or about half of the total affected, had been inspected and repaired.
Among those injured were a 50-year-old resident of Illinois who suffered a cervical sprain and nerve damage requiring more than $50,000 in medical bills; a 68-year-old Utah man who incurred an injury to his rotator cuff and damage to his knee; and a 51-year-old California resident who had a concussion while standing under his liftgate, according to NHTSA reports.
Striking Owner’s Head
The first injury filing came on April 10, 2006, when NHTSA reported a “2004 Toyota Sienna liftgate closing automatically and striking the owner’s head,” according to a search of complaints in the agency’s database.
The agency eventually tallied 410 complaints with 98 injuries and an additional 12,452 warranty repairs conducted by Toyota prior to the safety campaign, according to a June 2008 report.
In a January 2008 letter to Toyota, the agency said the liftgates might fall with the strength of 140 to 300 pounds if gas leaked from the struts, which NHTSA said were showing “a steady increase in failures.”
NHTSA at that time asked Toyota to initiate a safety recall, saying it had identified 70 injuries.
Toyota initially rejected the request because it had already agreed to an extended warranty on the parts. The six- year warranty notice didn’t warn of a risk of injury, according to a copy submitted to NHTSA by Toyota.
The automaker also disputed the injury reports in the NHTSA letter as not being as serious as initially reported.
Honda Liftgates
Honda Motor Co., Japan’s second-largest automaker, said in a letter posted today on NHTSA’s Web site it will repair 21,776 model year 2005 Odyssey minivans in the U.S. because of the same type of liftgate failure. Honda also stopped short of issuing a formal recall, saying in the letter that “the problem is not a safety defect.”
Honda, in the letter dated Feb. 18, said it doesn’t know how many of the vehicles, which have power liftgates, contain the defect. Honda sold 174,275 Odysseys in the U.S. in 2005, according to Autodata Corp. in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey.
Liftgate components in the Odyssey were supplied by parts maker Stabilus GmbH, Chris Martin, a Honda spokesman said. Stabilus also supplied liftgate parts to Toyota, according to documents filed with NHTSA.
Fix That ‘Exacerbated’
Toyota’s attempts to change the design of the liftgate strut started as early as December 2003, for 2004 model-year vehicles, according to NHTSA documents. The first three fixes were “mixed,” as the first fix “exacerbated” the problem, the agency said. The final change, in December 2006, was deemed successful and included in minivans starting in model year 2007.
The NHTSA database shows at least two reports of injuries to owners of 2007 Sienna minivans that were also made since then because of hatch failures.
The owner of a 2010 Sienna minivan also complained to NHTSA on Nov. 15 that his liftgate has hit him and his family members on their heads and shoulders by closing unexpectedly.
Toyota’s American depositary receipts, each equal to two ordinary shares, rose 93 cents to $74.83 at 4:02 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They’ve fallen 11 percent this year.
Oh wait, nevermind, those guys over at Bloomberg are just drinkin' the Kool Aid as well.
Toyota Claimed ‘Win’ in Handling Sienna Injuries (Update2)
Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. in 2008 succeeded in blocking a formal recall of Sienna minivans linked by U.S. regulators to 98 injuries caused by collapsing liftgates, according to company and U.S. documents.
Instead of issuing a recall under the U.S. Safety Act, Toyota sent letters to owners of 196,222 Sienna vans offering to replace struts on the liftgates as part of a “safety improvement campaign” without acknowledging a defect. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration accepted the response and stopped pressing for a costlier recall, agency documents show.
The Sienna case was among the “wins” cited by the automaker’s Washington office in a memo obtained by a congressional panel investigating the recalls of 8 million Toyota vehicles worldwide for defects that could cause unintended acceleration. The claimed wins saved Toyota $255 million, including $100 million previously reported for less extensive responses to the acceleration issue, according to the memo.
Toyota executives this week underwent two days of congressional hearings during which lawmakers said there was a pattern at the company of failing to respond promptly and adequately to reported safety problems.
“Toyota’s own internal documents indicate that a premium was placed on delaying or closing NHTSA investigations, delaying new safety rules and blocking the discovery of safety defects,” Representative Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat and chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said at a hearing of the panel two days ago.
Prius, Tacoma
Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota’s North American president, testified at the hearing that the Washington office’s memo was presented to him when he assumed his current position last July. The presentation also cited Toyota’s success in limiting responses to reports of defective Prius headlights and of two separate defects in Tacoma pickups, one involving rust and the other unexpected acceleration.
NHTSA opened an investigation of the Tacoma on Feb. 16 as part of a broader probe of vehicles that may have sudden acceleration defects and haven’t been recalled.
Jim Wiseman, Toyota’s vice president for North American corporate communications, said the Washington briefing materials “didn’t represent the views of the company.”
Wiseman said he wasn’t aware of any pending recalls or defect issues. “But the effort going forward is to pursue maximum openness,” he said. “We want to get everything out in the open.”
Struts Replaced
Olivia Alair, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Department, which oversees NHTSA, disputed the contention that Toyota had succeeded in the Sienna matter.
“In a letter to the agency, Toyota agreed to replace the struts free of charge to the consumer to address the problem,” Alair said. “It is unclear why this safety recall was touted as a ‘win’ for the manufacturer.”
As in at least four unrelated cases in which Toyota warded off U.S. recalls involving unintended acceleration allegations, a former NHTSA employee hired by the company took part in negotiations with the agency over handling the reported Sienna problems.
“Although Toyota is willing to identify this campaign as a safety recall in the owner communication about the campaign, Toyota has not determined that the condition described above is a ‘safety-related defect’ within the meaning of the federal vehicle safety laws,” Toyota Vice President Christopher Tinto, the former NHTSA employee, wrote in a May 30, 2008, letter to the agency.
NHTSA Agrees
NHTSA agreed to the lesser classification in a June 25, 2008, report that cited the Toyota letters to owners.
“Based on these actions, the agency had decided to close the investigation,” the report said. “While Toyota has not made a decision that the recalled vehicles contain a safety- related defect, in view of the recall, further use of the agencies’ resources does not appear to be warranted.”
Toyota’s letter was sent to owners of Siennas for model years 2004 to 2006. As of September 2009, the last time Toyota submitted an update to NHTSA, 98,582 vehicles, or about half of the total affected, had been inspected and repaired.
Among those injured were a 50-year-old resident of Illinois who suffered a cervical sprain and nerve damage requiring more than $50,000 in medical bills; a 68-year-old Utah man who incurred an injury to his rotator cuff and damage to his knee; and a 51-year-old California resident who had a concussion while standing under his liftgate, according to NHTSA reports.
Striking Owner’s Head
The first injury filing came on April 10, 2006, when NHTSA reported a “2004 Toyota Sienna liftgate closing automatically and striking the owner’s head,” according to a search of complaints in the agency’s database.
The agency eventually tallied 410 complaints with 98 injuries and an additional 12,452 warranty repairs conducted by Toyota prior to the safety campaign, according to a June 2008 report.
In a January 2008 letter to Toyota, the agency said the liftgates might fall with the strength of 140 to 300 pounds if gas leaked from the struts, which NHTSA said were showing “a steady increase in failures.”
NHTSA at that time asked Toyota to initiate a safety recall, saying it had identified 70 injuries.
Toyota initially rejected the request because it had already agreed to an extended warranty on the parts. The six- year warranty notice didn’t warn of a risk of injury, according to a copy submitted to NHTSA by Toyota.
The automaker also disputed the injury reports in the NHTSA letter as not being as serious as initially reported.
Honda Liftgates
Honda Motor Co., Japan’s second-largest automaker, said in a letter posted today on NHTSA’s Web site it will repair 21,776 model year 2005 Odyssey minivans in the U.S. because of the same type of liftgate failure. Honda also stopped short of issuing a formal recall, saying in the letter that “the problem is not a safety defect.”
Honda, in the letter dated Feb. 18, said it doesn’t know how many of the vehicles, which have power liftgates, contain the defect. Honda sold 174,275 Odysseys in the U.S. in 2005, according to Autodata Corp. in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey.
Liftgate components in the Odyssey were supplied by parts maker Stabilus GmbH, Chris Martin, a Honda spokesman said. Stabilus also supplied liftgate parts to Toyota, according to documents filed with NHTSA.
Fix That ‘Exacerbated’
Toyota’s attempts to change the design of the liftgate strut started as early as December 2003, for 2004 model-year vehicles, according to NHTSA documents. The first three fixes were “mixed,” as the first fix “exacerbated” the problem, the agency said. The final change, in December 2006, was deemed successful and included in minivans starting in model year 2007.
The NHTSA database shows at least two reports of injuries to owners of 2007 Sienna minivans that were also made since then because of hatch failures.
The owner of a 2010 Sienna minivan also complained to NHTSA on Nov. 15 that his liftgate has hit him and his family members on their heads and shoulders by closing unexpectedly.
Toyota’s American depositary receipts, each equal to two ordinary shares, rose 93 cents to $74.83 at 4:02 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They’ve fallen 11 percent this year.
Oh wait, nevermind, those guys over at Bloomberg are just drinkin' the Kool Aid as well.
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Interesting that you're so quick to point out that it's only a "Kool Aid drinking" scenario when Toyota or Honda are in the hot seat...I assume that when the media was focused on some negativity surrounding GM or Ford you were just as vocal about the many injustices being thrust upon them?
Or does it conveniently only go one way with you?
Or does it conveniently only go one way with you?
I'm saying the NHTSA needs to be given the resources and allowed to do their job. The government, like in most other cases, should stay the hell out of it. That and if they want to try and "even the playing field" with foreign automakers, there's a right way to do it, and this isn't it.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1rCaA90&pos=15
Toyota Claimed ‘Win’ in Handling Sienna Injuries (Update2)
Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration accepted the response and stopped pressing for a costlier recall, agency documents show.
Olivia Alair, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Department, which oversees NHTSA, disputed the contention that Toyota had succeeded in the Sienna matter.
“In a letter to the agency, Toyota agreed to replace the struts free of charge to the consumer to address the problem,” Alair said. “It is unclear why this safety recall was touted as a ‘win’ for the manufacturer.”
As in at least four unrelated cases in which Toyota warded off U.S. recalls involving unintended acceleration allegations, a former NHTSA employee hired by the company took part in negotiations with the agency over handling the reported Sienna problems.
“Although Toyota is willing to identify this campaign as a safety recall in the owner communication about the campaign, Toyota has not determined that the condition described above is a ‘safety-related defect’ within the meaning of the federal vehicle safety laws,” Toyota Vice President Christopher Tinto, the former NHTSA employee, wrote in a May 30, 2008, letter to the agency.
NHTSA Agrees
NHTSA agreed to the lesser classification in a June 25, 2008, report that cited the Toyota letters to owners.
“Based on these actions, the agency had decided to close the investigation,” the report said. “While Toyota has not made a decision that the recalled vehicles contain a safety- related defect, in view of the recall, further use of the agencies’ resources does not appear to be warranted.”
Toyota’s letter was sent to owners of Siennas for model years 2004 to 2006. As of September 2009, the last time Toyota submitted an update to NHTSA, 98,582 vehicles, or about half of the total affected, had been inspected and repaired.
Oh wait, nevermind, those guys over at Bloomberg are just drinkin' the Kool Aid as well.
Toyota Claimed ‘Win’ in Handling Sienna Injuries (Update2)
Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration accepted the response and stopped pressing for a costlier recall, agency documents show.
Olivia Alair, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Department, which oversees NHTSA, disputed the contention that Toyota had succeeded in the Sienna matter.
“In a letter to the agency, Toyota agreed to replace the struts free of charge to the consumer to address the problem,” Alair said. “It is unclear why this safety recall was touted as a ‘win’ for the manufacturer.”
As in at least four unrelated cases in which Toyota warded off U.S. recalls involving unintended acceleration allegations, a former NHTSA employee hired by the company took part in negotiations with the agency over handling the reported Sienna problems.
“Although Toyota is willing to identify this campaign as a safety recall in the owner communication about the campaign, Toyota has not determined that the condition described above is a ‘safety-related defect’ within the meaning of the federal vehicle safety laws,” Toyota Vice President Christopher Tinto, the former NHTSA employee, wrote in a May 30, 2008, letter to the agency.
NHTSA Agrees
NHTSA agreed to the lesser classification in a June 25, 2008, report that cited the Toyota letters to owners.
“Based on these actions, the agency had decided to close the investigation,” the report said. “While Toyota has not made a decision that the recalled vehicles contain a safety- related defect, in view of the recall, further use of the agencies’ resources does not appear to be warranted.”
Toyota’s letter was sent to owners of Siennas for model years 2004 to 2006. As of September 2009, the last time Toyota submitted an update to NHTSA, 98,582 vehicles, or about half of the total affected, had been inspected and repaired.
Oh wait, nevermind, those guys over at Bloomberg are just drinkin' the Kool Aid as well.
Anyway, are you really going to dig up every import-related safety recall? Are you serious?
Maybe you should try actually going to the NHTSA website at look at the recall information for all manufacturers; those numbers don't lie. If that doesn't upset you enough, then the parts to this article that say the NHTSA "accepted" what Toyota and Honda had done should stick in your craw even more. 
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02-28-2010, 01:03 AM
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If the shoe fits.....
Anyway, are you really going to dig up every import-related safety recall? Are you serious? Maybe you should try actually going to the NHTSA website at look at the recall information for all manufacturers; those numbers don't lie. If that doesn't upset you enough, then the parts to this article that say the NHTSA "accepted" what Toyota and Honda had done should stick in your craw even more.
Anyway, are you really going to dig up every import-related safety recall? Are you serious?
Maybe you should try actually going to the NHTSA website at look at the recall information for all manufacturers; those numbers don't lie. If that doesn't upset you enough, then the parts to this article that say the NHTSA "accepted" what Toyota and Honda had done should stick in your craw even more. The difference is GM owns up when the roof of your FRC is quite as fixed as it should be, where as Toyota says "hush hush" when people die....but how bout those numbers, eh?!?!
02-28-2010, 01:03 AM
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There's a HUGE difference between a stupid rigged media event and having a government with an extreme conflict of interest putting their dick-skinners where they shouldn't. Despite many safety defects over the years (mostly Fords), when did freakin' Congress ever get involved with them?
Please be sure to you wear your special aluminum foil hat at all times or they might get to you as well.
But are you serious? After YEARS of seeing posts/hearing people rant about how perfect and infallible
Toyotas and Hondas were and how bad the domestic brands were you're actually going to go out of your way and ridicule someone for giving a little bit of it back?News like this is bad for EVERYONE related to the auto industry (not just Toyota) and for the record I don't receive any joy or happiness from posting it but fair is fair. If people are going to dish it out they'd better be able to take it when it's THEIR TURN as well.
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly but it almost sounds as if you see no problem with people posting constant negativity about the U.S. (and as a loyal/faithful U.S. citizen I do emphasize that part...or is it now a crime to be a little nationalistic?) domestic auto manufacturer's vehicles but seem to take issue when it's your precious Toyota/Honda catching some (justifiable) heat.
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That and if they want to try and "even the playing field" with foreign automakers, there's a right way to do it, and this isn't it.
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I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly but it almost sounds as if you see no problem with people posting constant negativity about the U.S. (and as a loyal/faithful U.S. citizen I do emphasize that part...or is it now a crime to be a little nationalistic?) domestic auto manufacturer's vehicles but seem to take issue when it's your precious Toyota/Honda catching some (justifiable) heat.