Holy ****, I have read every single post and page on this thread.

As F BODY owner of 3 cars. And probabley roughly dropping 25k plus in my Z28 I am PISSED after reading this thread.

I myself would seriously fear running into someone that would kick my ASphault if I was me. Worded Correctly.

If I delt with this BS Person, I would wounder how he stays in Business and what his family and god thinks of his morals. Sad to munipulate people and make money. Sounds Like FRAUD.

Pathetic What You Have Become on this forum Peter.

A Story I have always Told People.

A man is a teacher and goes to his job everyday and does his job well and is a good public figure in society. He has been teaching and representing his family, school, and community prouldy for 25 YEARS. He COMES TO SCHOOL ONE TIME DRUNK from the night before. He gets arrested losses his job. Everything he has done corretly for 25 years has just been erased and EVERYONE see's him as a drunk now and just waves there heads at him.

It just takes ONE TIME and YOUR ENTIRE PRESPETION has been changed. It just takes once.

 

I was one of the initial 50 buyers, and my kit is still waiting to be installed. I bought the kit early to get the initial deal knowing that I still needed to buy stuff. So here are the things I need to do to the kit, correct???

1.) stent the inlet ducts (because they collapse, even at power levels within the range the kit was designed to support)

2.) fabricate sway bar spacers and buy shorter end links (because of sway bar clearance issues, even on a factory unmodified car)

3.) check and possibly drill out the oil feed banjo bolt holes (https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...rbo-fllaw.html)

4.) buy upgraded turbos from LGM, basically only using the housings from the APS kit (because the turbos in the kit seem to dismantle themselves after very little use)

 

I'm not sure if anybody really took me seriously earlier when I said I was thinking about buying a kit and having certain parts copied.

Well, today I took the first step in the process.





I picked up a "used" (brand new) APS kit from a fellow LS1Tech member. I got a screaming deal on it and literally couldn't pass it up.

So, I guess the build begins.

 

Dyaaaam I read through all 29 (current) pages of this... and to think I almost bought one of those kits a while back until I found the Incon TT kit. Sure, I had to track down some of the parts but at least I get to build it the way I want without worrying about it blowing up down the road

Eff you in the "a" APS. Dickfaces.

 

OMFG, this is the weakest post you have made yet. Do you think we are ****** idiots? Do you think no one besides you knows products can be shipped & imported? Kinda like how your Aussie **** turbo kits made it into the hands of US owners. We arent exactly a 30 minutes drive apart you moron. If your producst can make it hear then you can source out & have parts shipped to you as well for your kits.

You should have just stopped talkin a long time ago cause every time you post you make yourself out to be even dumber with your retarded logic.

 

THAT'S AWESOME!!! YOU Da MANG!!

Not only did you bring this **** to everyone's attention and went about it in a professional way that was taken seriously, not only have you saved alot of potential APS customers some cash by informing them to APS' shananigans, but you also are looking to solve the problem so many people are having.

It speaks volumes about you (i respect you very much) and volumes about APS (they blow, and are borderline scammers) when you step up and try to help the guys with the exploding turbos when you yourself didnt even have the system, and APS doesnt do a damn thing to help their customers and actuaxlly tries to milk them for more cash for replacement turbos!!!

xxxSILVERADOxxx has supplied better customer service to the APS customers than APS itself has!! How ******* sad is that???

I give you major "props", home slice. You said you were going to do something, and you stuck to it and put your money where yo mouff be.
Good for you. I hope you produce a "kit" based on APS' kits, and make some good money for yourself doing so. You deserve it for what you have done. I can tell you that when it comes time for me to purchase a FI system (in the next couple months), if i dont go TVS2300 or a twin screw (if it becomes available) i am going with your SPS (Silverado Power Systems) twin turbo kit. Count on it.


I agree 100%. if there is a potential legal course of action, i think it should absolutely be pursued. This guy (Peter) chose to B.S. the modding community and sub in shitty knock off turbos into an otherwise excellent kit (design, looks, function, etc are AWESOME) to bump up the profit margin. Its really sad, because before this happened i think it is safe to say that APS was considered one of the best twin turbo kits around... probably THE BEST for cars like my GTO, the f-bodies, and even the vette, and easily ONE OF the best for every car it is available for. The price was reasonable compared to other FI systems, it looked beautiful, no relocation of components in the engine compartment (battery, windshield washer fluid, etc) to the trunk, was designed beautifully, and performed excellently (except when turbos blew up).

APS was king of the hill when it came to mass produced TT kits and they ruined it because of
1. APS' (Peter's) dishonesty in dealing with this by using knock-off's in the first place
2. denying any wrong doing and use of knock offs
3. dodging questions
4. being arrogant and condescending as all hell towards people with legitimate questions
5. Not standing behind the product and offering a reasonable plan of action to take care of APS customers. Instead peter blew it off, insulted people, and offered to "look at" your destroyed turbo if you send it to him at your own cost, but he didnt mention what he would do after "looking at" the turbo.
6. When being called out on knock off, self destructing turd-blows, he claims APS is leaving the north american market and wont be selling anymore kits. Essentially, peter said "Screw you guys, i'm going home".

This is bullshit, and legal action should be taken. He either knowingly sold fake turbos which more accurately should be called "turdblows", or he had a fast one pulled on him by the turdblow supplier (highly unlikely) and sent out kits that had piece of **** turdblows instead of legit mitsu turbos without knowing. However, once he was informed (by numerous people) of the self destruction of the turdblows and asked for help, he basically told everyone "Tough ****, matey".
He is wrong in either instance, and should be taken to court, imho.

 

Silverado Thats Awesome Man, I would just switch the turbo's out now while you arent to much into the kit!!! This way all the weak componets are fixed up front and done.

Awesome Grab

 

peter,

sometime you and i get along and sometimes you never answer me.

but all i have to say about this is. it wouldnt be hard for someone to take your maniflod to a USA company and have it made. make a 100 sets at a time will be cheap. you guys did all the work we just copy it.

 

Has anyone dug up and posted on any of the Australian performance sites, like for Holden, etc.?

I wonder if they have similar experiences and would like to exchange information.

 

Thanks a lot bro, I won't let you down!

I'm gonna look into getting some genuine Mits 20G center sections for my kit right off the bat. Then I'm gonna look into mounting up some Garrett GT35Rs.



I'm curious about this as well, APS is right in Holdens yard.

 

Hell Yeah. That car is going to be a FREAK!!!!

Great Job on Following Through With Your Dream Build! Mad Props on that. Alot of people would have given up. Great Job!

 

xXxSilveradoxXx,

I dont want to sound like i am blowing you over the webs, or like some *** kissing nut hugger, but i got nothing but respect for you man. You spoke up against what you felt to be a wrong doing by a sponsor knowing full well that it could get you banned on the spot, regardless if you are right or wrong. You did so anyway, and basically started a movement on the boards. Then you said you were going to go out and correct the wrong doings of APS by making your own kits. And you even followed through with it!! That in itself is a rarity.

I really wish you the best of luck in doing your thing with your new, in-development "Silverado Twin-T kit". Hopefully it goes smoothly and inexpensively, and you find a way to put out a nice kit of good value to the enthusiasts like us out there, and you make a nice buck in doing so.

 

If I can get some GT35Rs on my car with this kit it will seal the deal for me! APS's clean install with some legit ball-bearing turbos would be un-freaking believable!

You don't sound like a kiss-*** at all, IMHO. You heard what I said and liked what I did and then you posted up how you felt. Nothing wrong in that.

 

I feel dumber after reading this post

 

im down for set of manifolds and turbos. i cant use none of the other stuff anyway. wont be going in 4th gen.

 

If I have the manifolds re-made I'll probably switch out the T-2 (I think) flange and have a T-3 cast in it's place. I'm also thinking about making some kind of T-2 to T-3 adapter and a new down-pipe for the guys that already have an APS kit.

Although I'm still in the brainstorming stage.

 

It would probably be alot cheaper to get the manifolds right from the source that APS did.

 

A member talked to the Chinese company who casts the manifolds for APS. They wouldn't sell APS's design but if we drew up plans of our own they would cast those up. I'm thinking about having a technical drawing made up of the manifolds then I'll be able to send the drawings to foundries around the world. I would prefer a US foundry to do the casting but price does matter.

 

The part existing owners really want cast is the GT turbine housing for the APS kits. Louis displayed one once in another thread. Think it was off of a vette APS kit.

 

This is what you are talking about, right?



The thread is here. I'll have to look into that too. Although I'm sure having a turbine housing cast and machined will probably be harder then having a new set of manifolds and downpipes made. Hopefully Garrett can point me in the right direction to someone who can make custom exhaust housings.