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Old 01-06-2011, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slowlsx
Sooo... How many people running these shortblocks as of now?
We built 15 of them in 2010
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Originally Posted by eLiT3SnIpEz
*sigh* the limit is the block itself, aka about 1200 hp
since when? Iron will hold 2k all day long, stock aluminum 6.0 will take 1700 with minor block fill, LSX and RHS are as high up as you can get it. so maybe you should specify which block your speaking of?
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Originally Posted by CarsandWomen
since when? Iron will hold 2k all day long, stock aluminum 6.0 will take 1700 with minor block fill, LSX and RHS are as high up as you can get it. so maybe you should specify which block your speaking of?
I'm sure over a few dyno pulls or passes 1700hp will work, from what i've seen head gasket reliability sinks over 1200hp on a factory 4 bolt block, an ERL prepped block, LSX, RHS, etc. would be better option.

1200hp, 3300lbs you should be running 8.20
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Originally Posted by AES Racing
I'm sure over a few dyno pulls or passes 1700hp will work, from what i've seen head gasket reliability sinks over 1200hp on a factory 4 bolt block, an ERL prepped block, LSX, RHS, etc. would be better option.

1200hp, 3300lbs you should be running 8.20
In your first post you state this combo (the 390) to be good to 2k, what do you do to improve reliability? Oring'ing the bock and heads seems to do the trick to make the head gaskets last past 1500 reliably, its the cylinder sleeves that fail, ask Fireball lol.
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If i supplied a stock 5.7 aluminum block, needs to be cleaned up of course, how much to produce a shortblock capable of 800 rwhp, while assembling the longblock using main and head studs, out the door picked up? PM me if you'd like Fraser. Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by CarsandWomen
since when? Iron will hold 2k all day long, stock aluminum 6.0 will take 1700 with minor block fill, LSX and RHS are as high up as you can get it. so maybe you should specify which block your speaking of?

Since he said so pages back...
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Originally Posted by PRAY HRD
If i supplied a stock 5.7 aluminum block, needs to be cleaned up of course, how much to produce a shortblock capable of 800 rwhp, while assembling the longblock using main and head studs, out the door picked up? PM me if you'd like Fraser. Thanks!!
If you used that block it wouldnt be a 390 though. Those are with the LS2 blocks. Still make a pretty badass shortblock though
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Originally Posted by CarsandWomen
In your first post you state this combo (the 390) to be good to 2k, what do you do to improve reliability?
Originally Posted by AES Racing
Price sounds steep however 2000hp capable with LSX block
That is what I posed, hence LSX block, does that need to be defined?

With LSX block, 390 using Callies Billet rods and 3.800 dragonslayer crank will work to 2000hp using 6 bolt heads etc. That was the original 1st post, I edited that post to show pricing for other 390 shortblocks we offer since it was asked, perhaps thats the confusion?

I find your recent posts very critical, if you don't like what you see, move on
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Originally Posted by CarsandWomen
Oring'ing the bock and heads seems to do the trick to make the head gaskets last past 1500 reliably, its the cylinder sleeves that fail, ask Fireball lol.
No sleeves in an iron block bud

O rings, we do that too

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Originally Posted by PRAY HRD
If i supplied a stock 5.7 aluminum block, needs to be cleaned up of course, how much to produce a shortblock capable of 800 rwhp, while assembling the longblock using main and head studs, out the door picked up? PM me if you'd like Fraser. Thanks!!
For that power level, I typically don't recommend a 5.7 block, they crack all over the place, sleeves, deck, if its a later 5.7 block with breathing hole they can crack at the bottom of the bore. MID sleeve would fix alot of that, you can MID sleeve early 98-99 LS blocks without LS6 breathing setup. Perhaps you have an early block?
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AES LSx mls, no oring, 3520 lbs 185 mph not a drop of water all season.
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Originally Posted by LASTLS1
AES LSx mls, no oring, 3520 lbs 185 mph not a drop of water all season.


It does have 1/2" head studs which is another option to clamp the head gasket.

Adding 1/2" head studs, O ring, dowel mains

To me at that power level you're best using an LSX or RHS block, as LASTLS1 uses an LSX block.
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hey Fraser, been out of the game for a while and just picked up a car this week so forgive me, but i would be interested in doing it with an ls2 aluminum block please. lmk what you could price it out as with a supplied bare block please. Thanks!!
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Just for reference for people that havent looked at the first post of this thread since it was startd. Below Fraser lists the prices for the different combinations and if you supply the block it shouldnt change the price if it is a aluminum block or iron. But I am sure Fraser will jump in to clarify.

Originally Posted by AES Racing
With some success from our proven 390ci force induction engine combination we're working
with Callies on introducing Dragonslayer crankshaft as an option.

Also Callies Ultra Forged rods are available too.

Updated price list

Original 390ci = $3390
6.0 Block
Eagle Rods 4340 H beam rods, ARP 7/16" bolts.
Callies C-Series 5140 3.825" crank
ARP main studs

Original 390ci = $3495
6.0 Block
Callies Compstar H-beam rods
Callies C-Series 5140 3.825" crank
ARP main studs

New 390ci = $4350
6.0 Block
Callies Compstar H-beam rods
Callies Dragonslayer 3.800" crank
ARP main studs

New 390ci = $5150
6.0 Block
Callies Ultra billet rods
Callies Dragonslayer 3.800" crank
ARP main studs

New 390ci = $6995
LSX block
Callies Ultra billet rods
Callies Dragonslayer 3.800" crank
ARP main studs


options available for all the above blocks
  • Piston coating ceramic top/moly skirt $290
  • Calico Coated main rod and camshaft bearings $150
  • Machine block for 1/2" head studs $550
  • Dowel main caps $300 (LSX already doweled)
  • O ring block, Reciever grove heads, Copper head gaskets $500
  • Lateral gas ports $145
Price sounds steep however 2000hp capable with LSX block

Heres a pic of the new Ultra Billet rods, $1350 for a set of them.



CP pistons we use for build


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How much of a price difference if you wanted to go to 427" using the LSX block ?
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Originally Posted by adam205348
Just for reference for people that havent looked at the first post of this thread since it was startd. Below Fraser lists the prices for the different combinations and if you supply the block it shouldnt change the price if it is a aluminum block or iron. But I am sure Fraser will jump in to clarify.
Yes it would. The aluminum option is considered an upgrade, for several hundred more. It's in another post of his. Just trying to clarify. Cheers!
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Originally Posted by adam205348
Just for reference for people that havent looked at the first post of this thread since it was startd. Below Fraser lists the prices for the different combinations and if you supply the block it shouldnt change the price if it is a aluminum block or iron. But I am sure Fraser will jump in to clarify.
Originally Posted by eLiT3SnIpEz
Yes it would. The aluminum option is considered an upgrade, for several hundred more. It's in another post of his. Just trying to clarify. Cheers!
Quoting my own post for clarification.
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If you supply the block, can take $350 off the price
(Take $3495 - $350 = $3145, in that case need a block shipped to me to build. )

Outright price for Aluminum block version

385ci Aluminum LS2 block $3995
399ci Aluminum LS3 block $4350

Either Version

CP pistons 2618 forged -15cc R/Dome dish
Gas nitrided ring steel top ring (made by NPR Japan)
Compstar H beam rods ARP 2000 bolts
Compstar 3.825" crankshaft 24 or 58x reluctor
King HP bearings
ARP main studs
LS2 or LS3 block
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I have Dart 225 heads. I'm thinking I'll go with the TVS2300. Are the heads going to be ok? What boost level am I looking at with the TVS 2300 and your 390?

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Originally Posted by AES Racing
We built 15 of them in 2010
I got one and couldn't be happier with the engine or the AES guys.


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