Rob Raymer

I've been traveling all week, and haven't been online to answer questions lately. I will do my best to catch up this weekend. Please be patient with me....

Update on Single Turbo Kit:

We installed the new racetronix Walbro fuel pump and re-dynoed the test car tonight. The results were even better than we could have imagined. Keep in mind that the dyno figures were made on Shawn Stewart's bone stock '01 WS6 6 speed car. So the TQ number you are reading, is actual....not a Tq "spike" that could possibly be seen with an A4 car.

The tuning still needs some tweaking, but we're close. At 5lbs of boost, we were VERY rich (literally 10:1 A/F), and made 478rwhp and 540rwtq. The addition of the fuel pump was obvious. Although we believe the new SPEC clutch was also helping out.

At 9lbs of boost, we made 534.4rwhp @ 4900rpm's, and 687.4rwtq @ 3800 rpm's. The A/F was a safe 11.8:1 at 5500. Because we had not reprogrammed since the new pump, the A/F was not exactly where we wanted it. It got a little lean (13.1:1) around 4000 rpm's, and then recovered quickly. We'll be addressing this issue later in the week with some more tuning adjustments.

This car is an absolute animal on the street, and yet sacrifices nothing in driveability. It's tame, well mannered, and fast as hell.

We are extremely pleased with the results, to say the least. Tim Eger (our behind-the-scenes engineer responsible for putting this great kit together) has done a terrific job, and I don't want him to go unnoticed. Thanks Tim! I'd also like to thank Shawn Stewart for his patience and the use of his car. Did anybody notice his car on PHR TV? It was the last car shown in the NFRA clip... (NBM '01 WS6)

We are still awaiting a few of the production pieces before the kits' final release. We hope to start building/shipping complete kits sometime next month. However, as it often is with manufacturers, we are at their mercy to deliver our parts.

We'll continue to keep you posted.

smokinHawk

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I absolutly hate you!
WOW big numbers, congrats!!!!
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VINCE

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I am impressed.. All this with no heads/cam package with the turbo..?

VINCE

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By the way.. I was just curious on what has changed on ours cars to go from a little over a year ago only being able to run 450rwhp safely with a Stage 2 turbo to now being over 80rwhp more? This is all on a stock ls1.. I know that there has been a lot more R&D, but thats a big difference.. Rob is the kit you are currently testing the Stage 1 or the Stage 2?

wot247

holy **** that is a beast!!!!!! i want one now!! congrats <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

WestSide

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Can you offer monthly payment plans? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I'm actually sort-of giving up the watercraft idea for this monster single turbo set up....mmmm. This is the strip kit right? Is 4900 rpm's a little low for a monster car like this? Im serious, how the hell can i pay for this...loan?

Matt
'98 Z

<small>[ April 20, 2002, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: WstSidHomE ]</small>

SJH

great numbers!!
I feel sorry for those poor stock pistons <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Nickn20

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SJH:
<strong>great numbers!!
I feel sorry for those poor stock pistons <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I think they like! haha keep up the good work Rob! that car has a easy 550rwhp in it.

smokinHawk

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What Octane were you using???????

NoOne

Awesome!

So, my C5 kit will ship when???

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I have a pretty good feeling the Camaro is sold, we redyno'd and tuned it to 552rwhp on a Mustang dyno(610ish on a Dynojet) but the torque curve went in the crappy because of late actuator opening, we turned it back down and went back to the old actuator setup and the guy was real happy with the car.

So the C5 will be here soon I hope, hell I'll come down there and help with the kit!

How about some pics?

Dave

I suppose California sales are right out, what with only 91 octane gas and emissions regulations.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Out of curiousity, how much is this kit expected to sell for? <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

BigAL

Sorry to sound a bit skeptical, but how does .61 bar (9psi) equate to almost doubling rwhp? And over doubling rwtq? That does not make a whole lot of sense, especially on a stock motor. That is by far the most power I have ever seen out of forced induction on a stock motor. Sorry for the skepticism, but it is so far beyond what others (Turbo Tech, ATI, Vortech, Incon) are doing and what math says should happen I can't help it. That's only 50lb/ft off of what your fully built turbo Z28 makes with ported heads, intake, 375ci, turbo cam etc., and you are running way more boost than that, aren't you?

<========waiting to hit the lotto to get the kit <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ April 21, 2002, 01:44 AM: Message edited by: BigAL ]</small>

Nickn20

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BigAL:
<strong>Sorry to sound a bit skeptical, but how does .61 bar (9psi) equate to almost doubling rwhp? And over doubling rwtq? That does not make a whole lot of sense, especially on a stock motor. That is by far the most power I have ever seen out of forced induction on a stock motor. Sorry for the skepticism, but it is so far beyond what others (Turbo Tech, ATI, Vortech, Incon) are doing and what math says should happen I can't help it. That's only 50lb/ft off of what your fully built turbo Z28 makes with ported heads, intake, 375ci, turbo cam etc., and you are running way more boost than that, aren't you?

<========waiting to hit the lotto to get the kit <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you obviously havent seem harlans dyno's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

CKZ

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Structural integrity isn't based on output. It has to do with detonation and other internal combustion "evils". Keep a good tune and you'll be fine.

99 WS6

534rwhp is quite a bit short of doubling the output of a 2001 M6. You have to remember that some of the 01-02's are dynoing around 320rwhp.

<small>[ April 21, 2002, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: 99 WS6 ]</small>

Rob Raymer

Vince - You are right. The HP levels have really increased over the last year alone. However, so has technology. We have a hybrid turbo that wasn't readily available a year ago, along with a larger downpipe and crossover pipe than has ever been seen on a single turbo LS1. All we have done, is increased efficiency.

We are actually testing both kits (Stage 1 & 2)at the same time. The differences are in the tuning, and boost levels.

The Stage 1 numbers were made with pump gas, 93 octane. The Stage 2 numbers were made with a 50/50 mix of 93 octane and 100 octane unleaded. we aren't positive that the extra octane was needed, but used it as a cheap precaution. We had Zero knock, and O2's hover around 930 on the street at WOT.

NoOne - Yea...I think your C5 kit is almost ready to ship. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> j/k Seriously...it's next. We just have to get our manufacturers on the ball so we can start shipping the F-Body kits. Then we'll hit the C5 kit full force. BTW, I tried calling you back several times before I went out of town last week, but it was ALWAYS busy. Give me a call tomorrow morning between 7am and 9am or after 10am EDT. I'll be on the road.

Dave - Unfortuantely, this kit will be considered for Off-Road use only. In checking with the laws regarding this, we have found that this is the only legal way we can build them. There are more reasons than I possibly have time to explain on here, but would be happy to talk to anyone individually by phone, should this become a concern.
I believe that in most cases, it would easily pass a "sniffer" test. As a point of reference, my Turbo Z28 passed it when it was making 707rwhp.

WSlow6 - There are so many variables that will have an affect on the engine's life. Such as monitoring proper tuning, adequate fuel (octane) resulting in ZERO detonation, general good maintenance practices, and individual driving characteristics. There are many stock LS1's out there making 475-500 rwhp that are living okay. However, other than Harlan's car, I don't know af any that make as much HP as our kit. More importantly, none that even come close to the TQ! Keep in mind...this is the Stage 2 kit, and is actually intended for the person who plans on building his/her engine.

BigAl - We are just awesome turbo builders! I can't believe you would question us!!?? Seriously though, did you notice the Vortech post? That car also made over 500rwhp with 9lbs of boost on a stock motor. And it had to turn a pulley to do it. A turbo is driven by exhaust gasses, unlike a supercharger, which is driven by the crank, and uses HP to build HP. This is one of the reasons why the TQ is so much higher with a turbo.

Hope that helps.

NoOne

Rob,

My cell phone is a piece of ****, thankfully its so cheap I live with it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Actually it broke in half on last week and the replacement they gave me was programmed with my wife's number.

I don't have your cell number, its on my old phone which they are still fixing, if you get this leave a message for one of the guys at the shop to give it out, I'll call there tommorow.

I *WILL* be your first C5 Turbo customer assuming everything goes smooth with the Camaro which it seems to be doing.

VINCE

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What about for cars that are lowered? Does that downpipe and kit go pretty low?

Rob Raymer

NoOne - you've got mail.

Vince, yes it is pretty low. But no lower than the 3" y-pipe included with SLP headers. We do recommend that your car is not lowered.

WSlow6

What is the life expectancy of a stock motor putting out that kind of power? I thought forged pistons and rods were a necessity above 500rwhp.