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Old 01-28-2011, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 11SECSS
I wonder who that could have been....lol . Just remember this is a honor system. Its just great to see people reaction when they ask what you have done and you say it stock internals, well I had to say stock 98 short block with stock 241 heads.Now I have to add LS6 springs and harden pushrods but that was from having the maggie on the car which still needs to be put back on see what it will due with the right fuel press/tune this time .
Haha yup, that's you!

Did you do any kind of before and after testing with your kooks and 90/90 or did you jump straight to that from stock?
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I ran a vacuum pump on my 509 and gained 25 hp.you don't have a air pump for the EGR that year,but could you install a stock air pump?switch the tube so the air pump is sucking air out of the left valve cover ,and put a small breather cap on the exhaust hose.
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Originally Posted by garygnu
I ran a vacuum pump on my 509 and gained 25 hp.you don't have a air pump for the EGR that year,but could you install a stock air pump?switch the tube so the air pump is sucking air out of the left valve cover ,and put a small breather cap on the exhaust hose.
I've considered a vacuum pump, it just seems hit or miss on these smaller displacement motors. If I did, I would get a real belt driven setup though.

I've heard of people doing the EGR thing, but I'm not sure it would be worth its weight..
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Originally Posted by Magnet
Haha yup, that's you!

Did you do any kind of before and after testing with your kooks and 90/90 or did you jump straight to that from stock?
I had MAC headers and the 90/90 and went some 11.48-11.56 then installed KOOKS 1 7/8 and a new YAnk SS4000 and have been 11.32 but the track closed for the year .At the same time my 60 ft went from low a 1.5s to high a 1.4s also picked up 1 mph . Just waiting on tracks to reopen .
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Anybody got any info on this vacuum pump you guys are discussing, I am completely ignorant on the subject.. thanks

I'm going to an l92, later will be a 427.. If it is worth 10hp and not cost an arm and a leg or add a ton of weight, I would be interested.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Anybody got any info on this vacuum pump you guys are discussing, I am completely ignorant on the subject.. thanks

I'm going to an l92, later will be a 427.. If it is worth 10hp and not cost an arm and a leg or add a ton of weight, I would be interested.
It is expensive with no for sure gains. LS1 Joe put one on his Cam only car back in the day and did back to back pulls. Although it isn't necessarilly typical he picked up 11rwhp across the curve.



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Originally Posted by 11SECSS
I had MAC headers and the 90/90 and went some 11.48-11.56 then installed KOOKS 1 7/8 and a new YAnk SS4000 and have been 11.32 but the track closed for the year .At the same time my 60 ft went from low a 1.5s to high a 1.4s also picked up 1 mph . Just waiting on tracks to reopen .
Hmm.. you went from MAC's, although it does look like you picked up a MPH. What about LS6 to FAST comparisons?
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you can get a air pump from a 1998-2000 f-body for free and wire it up to a switch and run it at the strip.or go to jegs ,they have the mechanical belt driven ones.jegs also sells a electric vacuum pump.
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Originally Posted by garygnu
you can get a air pump from a 1998-2000 f-body for free and wire it up to a switch and run it at the strip.or go to jegs ,they have the mechanical belt driven ones.jegs also sells a electric vacuum pump.
Yea, The electric vacuum pumps dont seem to be as good of a setup because they aren't RPM dependent. It is all interesting though..
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I find the SI racing interesting because it gives a nice benchmark for people to race against and makes for good runs at the track but would it be allowed to say run a 2000 fbody but with a completely stock, non opened 02' long block from another fbody?

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Originally Posted by Fb0dy0nly
I find the SI racing interesting because it gives a nice benchmark for people to race against and makes for good runs at the track but would it be allowed to say run a 2000 fbody but with a completely stock, non opened 02' long block from another fbody?

Good luck come spring for those gunin' for that list
Yup, one of the all time greats, Magnus put one in a 97 firebird. Just can't open them up.
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Right on, what is the more popular transmission for SI?
obviously only choices are t56 or 4l60 but any reasons to run one over the other?
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Originally Posted by Fb0dy0nly
Right on, what is the more popular transmission for SI?
obviously only choices are t56 or 4l60 but any reasons to run one over the other?
You can run any transmission you can bolt up to it. Like I said only rules are in regards to having an un-opened LS1.

An automatic transmission is always going to put down better times. I'm going for the 6-speed record though which is around 11.42 where as the auto record is a 10.6
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can you make a run with out a drive belt?what oil do you run?
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Originally Posted by garygnu
can you make a run with out a drive belt?what oil do you run?
I run a short belt at the track, and use 0w30 castrol.
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What kind of rpm do you plan on turning?
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Originally Posted by SWeiser31
What kind of rpm do you plan on turning?
Shift around 6200.

Details on your car? Raceweight, DA etc?

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Originally Posted by Magnet
Shift around 6200.

Details on your car? Raceweight, DA etc?
There's not much else besides what's in my sig. Double adj. stranges on the rear, all rod end BMR extreme rear suspension other than the torque arm which is a basic tunnel mounted UMI piece. 28x10.5 ET Drags. Stock front suspension. The only time I scaled the car it was just south of 3500 lbs with me in it and a half tank of gas. I don't remember the exact DA but it was somewhere around 700 ft I think.
The reason I ask about your rpm is because when I put the headersand exhaust on, I picked up 3 mph and I was running out of gear through the traps. The limiter was set at 6400 so my tuner bumped it to 6800. I'm still running the stock rod bolts and I'm a little nervous to turn it that high even though I don't plan on it if I can help it. I think I can keep it at 6500 but even that is higher than I'd like with the 99 bolts.
I've changed quite a bit this winter and I'm hoping to break into the 40's if all goes to plan.
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Originally Posted by SWeiser31
There's not much else besides what's in my sig. Double adj. stranges on the rear, all rod end BMR extreme rear suspension other than the torque arm which is a basic tunnel mounted UMI piece. 28x10.5 ET Drags. Stock front suspension. The only time I scaled the car it was just south of 3500 lbs with me in it and a half tank of gas. I don't remember the exact DA but it was somewhere around 700 ft I think.
The reason I ask about your rpm is because when I put the headersand exhaust on, I picked up 3 mph and I was running out of gear through the traps. The limiter was set at 6400 so my tuner bumped it to 6800. I'm still running the stock rod bolts and I'm a little nervous to turn it that high even though I don't plan on it if I can help it. I think I can keep it at 6500 but even that is higher than I'd like with the 99 bolts.
I've changed quite a bit this winter and I'm hoping to break into the 40's if all goes to plan.
You wont make anymore power past 6200, I think 4:56 may be too much gear being as your limited in rpm range. Thats also a very heavy car, could easily run sub 11.3's on a diet.
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Originally Posted by 1BAD98LS1
You wont make anymore power past 6200, I think 4:56 may be too much gear being as your limited in rpm range. Thats also a very heavy car, could easily run sub 11.3's on a diet.
I shift at 6200, just goes through the traps at 6500. I think the benefits of 4.56 gears outweigh the cons. It would definitely slow down with 4.30's. It's already went on a diet this winter with more to come. I race in an index series so I'm not gonna go too far this year otherwise I'll be caught in between index's and have to dump a bunch of weight back in. Anyway, nice thread magnet. I've been following it for a while now. I'm interested to see how your car does this year.


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