New intake at SEMA: MSD Airforce
I agree. We now need independent testing of this manifold more than ever. I have a feeling MSD may be attempting to enter an area where they will not do well. If this manifold doesn't fair well against the F.A.S.T. manifolds (which just got an improvement: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...rike-back.html ) it'll be viewed as an "also ran".
I see HP Tuners and EFI Live making a few more sales bc of this as well. Hell, I'd buy one just to be able to flash back and forth between the two.
Bingo. I think I'm going FAST now... Again. Anyone else notice it's now black? I mean, I'd doubt they'd use a painted one for their campaign...
Very interesting. I'd love to see some back to back comparison dyno's of all three runners so people can get an idea of what they are designed for.
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Meeeee too. I pretty much had my mind made up on trying the new MSD intake. This sure changes the game. Back to square 1.
It's too bad we don't have something like the Mustang/Cobra guys that allows you to change tunes via a handheld, because if we did, you could have a tune designated for the short runners and then one for the longer or medium length runners.
I also wonder which will be available to the public first; MSD Atomic intake or the different FAST runner options.
I also wonder which will be available to the public first; MSD Atomic intake or the different FAST runner options.
At the end of the day this works well in the favor of the LS enthusiasts. Hopefully some healthy competition will not only add new and better intakes but also take on a pricing battle in our favor.
With only two viable options right now (well, maybe still only 1 viable option, as too much is not known about the MSD Atomic intake), I don't foresee any changes taking place regarding price drops. Possibly down the road, but not now. Where you'll see the biggest price drop is going to be in the classified section on here where people are selling the older 90/92mm intakes.
It's too bad we don't have something like the Mustang/Cobra guys that allows you to change tunes via a handheld, because if we did, you could have a tune designated for the short runners and then one for the longer or medium length runners.
I also wonder which will be available to the public first; MSD Atomic intake or the different FAST runner options.
I also wonder which will be available to the public first; MSD Atomic intake or the different FAST runner options.
Well well well....
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
Glad it did so well on the LS7, but the million dollar question is should we expect those same results on the LS1? I would assume so, but you never know. Maybe someone will provide data after testing the intake on a LS1.
I'd personally expect similar results on a cathedral head. The R&D is there. This was a WELL thought out piece, a few years in the making. Not just something they decided to do last minute.
According to Chris, it's "going to be a few HUNDRED dollars cheaper than the Fast"
Chew on that a minute.
Now, either sell your LS6 NOW, or be prepared for a 200 dollar sale here in short order.
According to Chris, it's "going to be a few HUNDRED dollars cheaper than the Fast"
Chew on that a minute.
Now, either sell your LS6 NOW, or be prepared for a 200 dollar sale here in short order.
I see the used prices of LS6 intakes taking a bit of a hit, but not much. There will still be a market out there for them. Some guys are simply looking to upgrade their LS1 intake, but don't want to have to buy all the things needed to switch over to a FAST or other aftermarket intake.
