New intake at SEMA: MSD Airforce
I agree but on a stock ls1 a fast 102 doesnt pick up much if anything more over an ls6 because the engine simply doesnt need the air. My thinking is that even a cam only ls1 wont benefit much because even it is not as air hungry as a 427 ci motor.
Cam only I think they'll be pretty close but as you get into Aftermarket castings or larger cubes the msd will shine more but for a simply cammed 346 either intake will be on par with eachother
I don't agree. I think even on a cam only LS1, you see decent gains with the FAST intake. It's all about bringing in air, and while stock heads are a restriction, it's not enough to hinder an aftermarket intake. Either the FAST or MSD will pick up some good numbers, even cam only. Hell, most of the crowd on here runs some pretty big cams, so the bigger the cam, the more the engine needs to breath.
My argument is that on a stock 346 ls1 with a 228r cam with 4-6 degrees of overlap, the 2 will be very similar. The engine simply isnt as air hungry as a cammed 427 ls7 motor. Now add a set of afr 215's and a large cam and I think the MSD ill pull away.
Idk bout that red. I picked up 13whp changing to a ported fast on my ls6. A ls1 may not pick up as much but I'm sure you would see a gain. The ls6 intake i ported shows a nice gain over even stock ls6 intakes on a bolt-on ls1.
Less so on a "bolt-on" only, but there will still be gains. More so on a "cam only" and even more on a "heads/cam" setup. I get what you are saying about a bolt on only car. If adding an intake was the end all be all of what I would be doing, the gains would not be woth the cost to me. Most who plan on adding an aftermarket intake will either already have cam and heads, or plan to soon.
I don't agree. I think even on a cam only LS1, you see decent gains with the FAST intake. It's all about bringing in air, and while stock heads are a restriction, it's not enough to hinder an aftermarket intake. Either the FAST or MSD will pick up some good numbers, even cam only. Hell, most of the crowd on here runs some pretty big cams, so the bigger the cam, the more the engine needs to breath.
My full-bolt-on C5Z made some decent gains with a ported FAST over the LS6...You could definitely feel a SOTP change as well.
I will definitely be putting one of these MSD intake manifolds on my 99. I cannot wait for these intakes to hit the streets.
I liked my Fast 78 on my Camaro when it was bolt ons. Didn't have a tune for the Fast specifically, but already had a bolt-on tune from Frost. I felt a bit better pull up top.
I "hope" to put one on my 04 Coupe... But Mast said it is taller than the Fast, and lord knows we already need shorter motor mounts for the Fast...
I "hope" to put one on my 04 Coupe... But Mast said it is taller than the Fast, and lord knows we already need shorter motor mounts for the Fast...
I liked my Fast 78 on my Camaro when it was bolt ons. Didn't have a tune for the Fast specifically, but already had a bolt-on tune from Frost. I felt a bit better pull up top.
I "hope" to put one on my 04 Coupe... But Mast said it is taller than the Fast, and lord knows we already need shorter motor mounts for the Fast...
I "hope" to put one on my 04 Coupe... But Mast said it is taller than the Fast, and lord knows we already need shorter motor mounts for the Fast...
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As a side note, I do think that the FAST looks nicer but I don't think the MSD looks ugly really. It just looks different from the rest.
I guess I'm in the minority, but I like the look of the MSD intake better. Lots of different things you could do to it. I wouldn't mind having one hydro-dipped in something like reaper.
Looks like this might be the intake that kills the plastic stigma. With a high rpm cam over 6800 rpm power may now be a reality without deshrouding.
I hope it can challenge carbed cars.
I hope it can challenge carbed cars.
I like the color breakup like that. If I get one, I'd like to do the center section hydrodipped in reaper with the color being pewter and the two sides being done in a gloss black.