10.9-11.0 is fast for a N/A street car.
Why run a big cam in a daily driver?
i dont care to post my setup... no reason not to... i dont think? i get what you are saying though.. a lot of people "forget" they had a 200 jet instead of a 75.. hahahahahah... sometimes it still doesnt matter.... i look at it this way... if you have to lie about your setup, then you are obviously not proud of it.. im proud of where my car is for the time i have had it, so want everyone to know what i have..
trying to get on this one!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/818893-all-time-fastest-n-stock-ci-h-c.html
specifically trying to get right in this area...
22. VIPRETR2 10.893@127.11; 02 WS6 Trans Am (346); Pro-Shift T56/RAM VDS; 4.11; stock LS6; TR230/224; 3450lbs; 12/07
23. Pro Stock John 10.92@122.53; 00 Z/28 Camaro (346); A3; Heads/Vindicator Cam; 10/07
24. Hugger 10.947@122.64; 99 Z28 (346); 4L60E; TCI-4000; Dart 225's; Comp 220/224 114; 3490lbs; 12/07
25. Chrs1313 10.9512@122.24; 02 Z28 (346); A4; SS4000; stock heads; 230/230; 3300lbs; 05/08
26. Camscam02 10.970@123.20; 02 Camaro(346); A4;4400 stall;stock heads;MS3 Cam; 3370lbs; 11/07
27. SuperSix10.985@126.12; 02 Camaro(346); M6;Spec3+; LS6 self ported; XP "Seaberg" Cam; 3340lbs; 03/07
28. Demonicbird00 10.998@126.93; 00 Trans Am(346); M6; Lingenfelter; stock heads;KOD Cam; 3260lbs; 04/07
29. ptero 11.131@122.79; '06 GTO (346); 4L65E; Vig 3K; TF225; HPE SCam; 3720 lbs; 12-16-'07
30. pirate3 11.16@121.95; 00 Z28 (346); TH350; TCI 4200; self ported heads; 242/248/.610/.615/111; 3350lbs; 4/08
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From: Atlanta, GA Ft. Walton Beach, FL
my mild cam thoughts that graph is funny as hell.
how did you like the folks that tuned the car?
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my cam
DUR @ .004" 278*/ 286*
DUR @ .050" 216*/ 224*
LIFT .551/.551
OVERLAP 53*
LSA 115*
"THE BOSS FOR AUTOMATICS" "THE BOSS 115"
STREET / STRIP CAM / AUTOCROSS
POWER RANGE 2000 TO 6200
TUNING & STALL CONVERTER DESIRED
PERFECT FOR SUPERCHARGERS
POWERFUL CHOPPY IDLE
I have a mild cam and love it. very streetable power under the curve is where it's at for me. idel set at 590RPM.on a torqued car I don't like to hold the brake real hard at stop lights w/ a big cam at high idel it takes lots of foot preasure to just hold it at the light.
power comes on right from idel and pulls all the way to each shift point. my finale engine mod will be heads I'm matching each mod thats the key the sum of all the parts I'm expecting the heads to make a considerable increase.
the bigger cams make big HP #s but real low torque #s. my cam actually makes more torque than HP torque is what makes you go fast.
mild cams are easy on valve springs and are easy to tune my cam really didn't even need a tune I had it tuned mainly to pass emmisions (exhaust) thanks Vannerbuilt.
mild cams will not kill you're fuel milage like a monster cam will.
I have been smoking larger camed cars that just either missmatched mods or there way over powering there tires.
my 2 cents.
Thanks Joe & Roger at Vinncie for the cam
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Do any shops market small cams anymore? why NOT?
If it has to idle so high that you can barely hold the car, your converter choice is way off.So you raced a car that lit his tires up and lost so that means your mild cam reigns supreme? Maybe he just screwed up, even the pros do that sometimes. Or maybe he reserves his sticky tires for the track.
Come on man, I will lose to a minivan if its raining.
Not sure if you can believe the hype, but this speaks pretty big to me...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_12.html
Basically the "donkey dick" MS4 pulls the stocker from the bottom to the top. I "think" what might happen is guys feel a big cam pull SO hard at the top the bottom seems lower. BUT as we all know the ***-dyno sucks. The donkey cams are making more power down low but it feels like less B/C the top end rush is so huge. I used to drive some turbo cars and it was the same...the BIG turbo always felt "weak" down low. It felt "weak" because the top end rush blew the stocker away.
Also, seems to me a big cam is an advantage for a DD because of traction issues. You probably don't run slicks on the street so as long as you get to the top of any gear you'll be launching without blowing off the tires and easily gaining on anyone else before you're out of the top of first gear.
Again, just my $.02
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_12.html
Basically the "donkey dick" MS4 pulls the stocker from the bottom to the top. I "think" what might happen is guys feel a big cam pull SO hard at the top the bottom seems lower. BUT as we all know the ***-dyno sucks. The donkey cams are making more power down low but it feels like less B/C the top end rush is so huge. I used to drive some turbo cars and it was the same...the BIG turbo always felt "weak" down low. It felt "weak" because the top end rush blew the stocker away.
Also, seems to me a big cam is an advantage for a DD because of traction issues. You probably don't run slicks on the street so as long as you get to the top of any gear you'll be launching without blowing off the tires and easily gaining on anyone else before you're out of the top of first gear.
Again, just my $.02
If it has to idle so high that you can barely hold the car, your converter choice is way off.Wrong. I don't have the space or the inclination to explain it, but that is wrong.
I didn't build a souped up Z28 hoping for good mileage.
If a car has a traction problem, that means it needs less power?
So you raced a car that lit his tires up and lost so that means your mild cam reigns supreme? Maybe he just screwed up, even the pros do that sometimes. Or maybe he reserves his sticky tires for the track.
Come on man, I will lose to a minivan if its raining.
9 TA WS6 A4 (3.23)200+MPH top speed 1/4 11.9 116MPH,cam,LTs,FAST,TC,Susp.
FWIW, i was at a mid to low 11 cam only.. no suspension...
not talking ****, just giving you some insight..
FWIW, i was at a mid to low 11 cam only.. no suspension...
not talking ****, just giving you some insight..
Not sure if you can believe the hype, but this speaks pretty big to me...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_12.html
Basically the "donkey dick" MS4 pulls the stocker from the bottom to the top. I "think" what might happen is guys feel a big cam pull SO hard at the top the bottom seems lower. BUT as we all know the ***-dyno sucks. The donkey cams are making more power down low but it feels like less B/C the top end rush is so huge. I used to drive some turbo cars and it was the same...the BIG turbo always felt "weak" down low. It felt "weak" because the top end rush blew the stocker away.
Also, seems to me a big cam is an advantage for a DD because of traction issues. You probably don't run slicks on the street so as long as you get to the top of any gear you'll be launching without blowing off the tires and easily gaining on anyone else before you're out of the top of first gear.
Again, just my $.02
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com.../photo_12.html
Basically the "donkey dick" MS4 pulls the stocker from the bottom to the top. I "think" what might happen is guys feel a big cam pull SO hard at the top the bottom seems lower. BUT as we all know the ***-dyno sucks. The donkey cams are making more power down low but it feels like less B/C the top end rush is so huge. I used to drive some turbo cars and it was the same...the BIG turbo always felt "weak" down low. It felt "weak" because the top end rush blew the stocker away.
Also, seems to me a big cam is an advantage for a DD because of traction issues. You probably don't run slicks on the street so as long as you get to the top of any gear you'll be launching without blowing off the tires and easily gaining on anyone else before you're out of the top of first gear.
Again, just my $.02
Here's a GTO that swapped from a VRX3 (226/228 .585/.588) to a VRX6 (238/240 .605/.609)
If you'll notice this dynograph starts at 2,000rpms not 3,000 or so where some start. The big cam lost everywhere from 2000-5500. I'd much rather have that 30lb/ft down low back rather than gaining 10rwhp way up top...
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Verdad Gallardo You don't honestly believe that magazine BS do you? They'll print anything as long as the sponsors are paying for it.
Here's a GTO that swapped from a VRX3 (226/228 .585/.588) to a VRX6 (238/240 .605/.609)
If you'll notice this dynograph starts at 2,000rpms not 3,000 or so where some start. The big cam lost everywhere from 2000-5500. I'd much rather have that 30lb/ft down low back rather than gaining 10rwhp way up top...
Here's a GTO that swapped from a VRX3 (226/228 .585/.588) to a VRX6 (238/240 .605/.609)
If you'll notice this dynograph starts at 2,000rpms not 3,000 or so where some start. The big cam lost everywhere from 2000-5500. I'd much rather have that 30lb/ft down low back rather than gaining 10rwhp way up top...
Lots are turned on by big dyno #s and big BS...but I think a DD definition is hard to define. For some it's 60 miles and others it's only 10.
Also the gears and tranny play a big role...do you really drop to 2K rpms during a shift? Not likely...most will keep the tach spun to 4K or higher on a run the whole time. So, which cam is better? You should be keeping the motor in the meat of it's power on a run...shift at 7K and revs drop to 5K. Seems like the big cam is the winner...
Yeah, but I think i'd replace the rod bolts before regularly taking it to 7,000. None of the stock style intakes out there will peak that high anyway so I don't see the need to rev a stock shortblock that high. That all comes back to picking the right cam for the combo I guess.
True, true...
But what I was gettin at is you really do keep a big cam in it's powerband during a run...even if you shift at 6K you drop to say 4K. You might get jumped initially but it won't be for long.
But what I was gettin at is you really do keep a big cam in it's powerband during a run...even if you shift at 6K you drop to say 4K. You might get jumped initially but it won't be for long.
Launching!
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Just curious what positive gains you see by running a huge cam such as the donkey dick in a daily driven street car?
What are the advantages in the big cam over say a 224 or 228 duration cam in the midrange of the curve(the part you'll be in most on the street).
thanks
Mark
What are the advantages in the big cam over say a 224 or 228 duration cam in the midrange of the curve(the part you'll be in most on the street).
thanks
Mark
Big Cams Suck.
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
Project_SS ----- 10.561@126.74 (1.44), 98 SS,4L60e, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Chrs1313-------10.951@122.24 (1.40), 02 Z, 4l60E, 4000, 3.23, 230, -70, 3350, 5/08
camscam02-----10.980@121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +290, 3370, 11/07
Bain------------
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
Project_SS ----- 10.561@126.74 (1.44), 98 SS,4L60e, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Chrs1313-------10.951@122.24 (1.40), 02 Z, 4l60E, 4000, 3.23, 230, -70, 3350, 5/08
camscam02-----10.980@121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +290, 3370, 11/07
Bain------------
Big Cams Suck.
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
Project_SS ----- 10.561@126.74 (1.44), 98 SS,4L60e, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Chrs1313-------10.951@122.24 (1.40), 02 Z, 4l60E, 4000, 3.23, 230, -70, 3350, 5/08
camscam02-----10.980@121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +290, 3370, 11/07
Bain------------
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
Project_SS ----- 10.561@126.74 (1.44), 98 SS,4L60e, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Chrs1313-------10.951@122.24 (1.40), 02 Z, 4l60E, 4000, 3.23, 230, -70, 3350, 5/08
camscam02-----10.980@121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +290, 3370, 11/07
Bain------------
YEP YOUR RIGHT THEY SUCK TINY CAMS RUN WAYYYYY BETTER
Just curious what positive gains you see by running a huge cam such as the donkey dick in a daily driven street car?
What are the advantages in the big cam over say a 224 or 228 duration cam in the midrange of the curve(the part you'll be in most on the street).
thanks
Mark
What are the advantages in the big cam over say a 224 or 228 duration cam in the midrange of the curve(the part you'll be in most on the street).
thanks
Mark