Finally pulling the trigger on parts!
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Single is good to 700rwhp. I don't plan to run it WOT locked up.
If I was planning on pushing more power or running it locked up, I'd look at a triple.
As it stands, the efficiency of this convert is great, so the slippage isn't going to eat up much power on the big end.
If I was planning on pushing more power or running it locked up, I'd look at a triple.
As it stands, the efficiency of this convert is great, so the slippage isn't going to eat up much power on the big end.
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So, maybe I'm crazy, but I'm thinking of sending the heads to Brian Tooley for additional porting and to mill down to 59cc.
Why? Well, I figure when I go to measure, I'm going to need to flycut anyway. So, might as well do some finishing touches on the heads, mill down, and flycut.
That opens up the door to other cam choices as well. But also optimizes the current cam setup... Hmm.
Why? Well, I figure when I go to measure, I'm going to need to flycut anyway. So, might as well do some finishing touches on the heads, mill down, and flycut.
That opens up the door to other cam choices as well. But also optimizes the current cam setup... Hmm.
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to. I'm not sure if I'm going to swap the cam, but I'll need to flycut if I cut another .018-.020" off the heads even with my current cam. I might step it up to a 234/242 112 or equivalent to get a bit more overlap for power throughout the range. Even maybe an Ed Curtis 236/240...
I've thought about a StreetSweeper myself. A lot here lately. studderin had some good success with that cam. I think if I go bigger, I'm just gonna go with the Cometic, cut .080 each side, and tell him to spec it.
I like surprises
At that point I need to either port what i have, or get a 102 ported and finally be DONE. Or the ITB set-up. Still waiting on more info from that.
I like surprises
At that point I need to either port what i have, or get a 102 ported and finally be DONE. Or the ITB set-up. Still waiting on more info from that.
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Will that ITB fit under the hood?
Tooley has that 235/242 111 cam as well. Although, that sort of goes against my f Comp stance. haha
Geoff has the 234/242 on EPS lobes that I like...
Tooley has that 235/242 111 cam as well. Although, that sort of goes against my f Comp stance. haha
Geoff has the 234/242 on EPS lobes that I like...
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I was going to go back with a EPS cam and Geoff spec'd me a 230/236 cam or something real close to that. The more I thought about it, it made more since to talk to Tooley since he was at TEA when my heads were done. He spec'd me a 231/242 112+2 .610/.613(cant remember the exact lift numbers but those are close)
He said since I'm running a stock size exhaust valve that I need to hang the exhaust valve open longer to evacuate the cylinder. His stage III cam is real close to that, 235/242 111+3. He said with the port work done and the size of the intake valve I don't need as much duration. He then started talking about cam events and completely lost me.
He makes 460rwhp with that cam in a stock LS6. Stock intake, no port work with headers.
So with all the extra **** I have I "hope" to be a little north of that number but we will see.
The only issue I have with going with Tooley is the Comp thing. No one has ever been able to give me a definitive answer regarding my cam failure so I'm leery about going back with them.
When I take my heads off I also considered taking them to Brian. Just depends on how much it is and how much extra scratch I have at the time.
Didn't mean to high jack your thread Jake. We are running very similar combo's and just wanted to pass along some info from Brian.
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No, your thinking is the same as mine. Tooley knows what works with the heads, but I might get him to spec me something then order it from Cam Motion.
And the reason I like EPS is Geoff is who I'm going to be using for the tune in all likelihood, since I can get the car to him and his dyno.
There are other options as well. I've talked to Martin about some baseline dyno tunes and one of the Tick custom cams on a Bullet Core.
And the reason I like EPS is Geoff is who I'm going to be using for the tune in all likelihood, since I can get the car to him and his dyno.
There are other options as well. I've talked to Martin about some baseline dyno tunes and one of the Tick custom cams on a Bullet Core.
No, your thinking is the same as mine. Tooley knows what works with the heads, but I might get him to spec me something then order it from Cam Motion.
And the reason I like EPS is Geoff is who I'm going to be using for the tune in all likelihood, since I can get the car to him and his dyno.
There are other options as well. I've talked to Martin about some baseline dyno tunes and one of the Tick custom cams on a Bullet Core.
And the reason I like EPS is Geoff is who I'm going to be using for the tune in all likelihood, since I can get the car to him and his dyno.
There are other options as well. I've talked to Martin about some baseline dyno tunes and one of the Tick custom cams on a Bullet Core.
Regardless of what cam I get I'm going to go with the BTR lifters and a timing chain from him. He's been very helpful and I would feel like a crook since he's helped me so much and I went somewhere else to buy all my parts.
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Cam Motion can grind them...
Brian uses LSL/XE in most of his configurations from what I've seen.
Another option is Allan Futral. Since he has always used Cam Motion and has his own spec lobes as well. They've always made good power.
Brian uses LSL/XE in most of his configurations from what I've seen.
Another option is Allan Futral. Since he has always used Cam Motion and has his own spec lobes as well. They've always made good power.
Jake, when you go to Baton Rouge let me know. I want to go as well. I think you've got a SOLID build going... Everything. Lots of thought and patience going on here.
Have you called Brian yet?
Have you called Brian yet?
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PM'd back and forth with Tooley today. It's not worth it for me to do any work on the heads at this point besides milling. He will get them when I move to a 402 - that way he can open them up for 4" bore, do some work on the chambers, and open up the intake and match the FAST to it. So that's a more worthwhile use of getting the heads worked down the line.
So now, I need to find a competent machine shop to mill down here, and then I may go with either the EPS 234/242 112 if there isn't a long lead time. Otherwise, the Tooley 235/242 111 is on the shelf, and I could have this week.
So now, I need to find a competent machine shop to mill down here, and then I may go with either the EPS 234/242 112 if there isn't a long lead time. Otherwise, the Tooley 235/242 111 is on the shelf, and I could have this week.
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Who rents out Lindy flycutting tools? I would need whatever the next size up is for 2.04/1.575. I'm just going to reuse my old heads as guides. So I need the 8mm collars as well.
Looks like I might have an excuse to pick up an angle drill now too to reach the back cylinders...
Looks like I might have an excuse to pick up an angle drill now too to reach the back cylinders...
You can actually rent them from Lindy, Jake. They're 77.50 each. I think you get half back when you return them. The way he talked though, only about 10% of folks return them 
When you tell him the valve sizes you have he makes them .03 bigger for a good smooth transition. (The beveled portion)
If we had the same valve sizes I'd go in on half with you. I'm 2.02 / 1.6
When you tell him the valve sizes you have he makes them .03 bigger for a good smooth transition. (The beveled portion)
If we had the same valve sizes I'd go in on half with you. I'm 2.02 / 1.6
I guess my 235/243 111+2 doesn't make the cut....
Tooley is my buddy and all, but I just don't see that 460rwhp number being 100% genuine.
There is no magic cam that will give you 30rwhp more than what most combinations make even with a guy named Brian Tooley behind the cam specs.
Tooley is my buddy and all, but I just don't see that 460rwhp number being 100% genuine.
There is no magic cam that will give you 30rwhp more than what most combinations make even with a guy named Brian Tooley behind the cam specs.