What's up with Comp Cams ?
I guess I couldn't get a refund for the first one because I had 3k miles on it.
I would prefer a full refund for both, obviously. I have no use for the first cam and I'm not sure my conscience will allow me to sell it used because I can't guarantee it won't whine.
Taken from this thread and the other, i will not purchase a Comp cam. I know Tick is taking care of it if there is a problem, but really, i have better things to do than tear apart stuff for free. That's the thing, you may get a warranty on the part, but your labor and misc materials you use aren't free. I'd rather install a product that the manufacturer is more precise in what they sell.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
Taken from this thread and the other, i will not purchase a Comp cam. I know Tick is taking care of it if there is a problem, but really, i have better things to do than tear apart stuff for free. That's the thing, you may get a warranty on the part, but your labor and misc materials you use aren't free. I'd rather install a product that the manufacturer is more precise in what they sell.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
Not to mention Dexcool is $15 and I replace the timing cover gasket and seal every time because I don't risk that leak, that's $25.
So $25 x 3 = $75 + $15 x 3 = $115 in fluids/gaskets. I also change the oil every time because the condensor gets dirt all over it as you drive and when you tilt it over the engine, all the dust/dirt flies everywhere.
Oil change is $50. $50 x 3 = $150.
$150 + $115 = $265, almost the price of the cam itself.
It sucks thinking about it that way, but I'm glad it's finally resolved.
I understand what Cam Motion is doing, and it isn't solely to provide help to the community and shed light on a mysterious issue. Partly, they offered their free or discounted services to a few guys having problems to gain a footing in a section of the camshaft industry that IMO is dominated by Comp. A section that is probably growing faster than any other also: the LS community. Yes, it does shed light on a problem that apparently needs to be addressed better and I applaud Kip for that but his motives for giving product and services away were not offered just to make a couple of new friends.
I understand you had to reply as your business is catching hell. But that statement is the kind of statement that Martin would make and is catching heat for. (now we know where he gets it.)
You may want to invest in some PR classes for you and your employees.
Mike
Taken from this thread and the other, i will not purchase a Comp cam. I know Tick is taking care of it if there is a problem, but really, i have better things to do than tear apart stuff for free. That's the thing, you may get a warranty on the part, but your labor and misc materials you use aren't free. I'd rather install a product that the manufacturer is more precise in what they sell.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
Since EPS uses Cam Motion, that's where my business will go.
I will say though, I've gone back and forth a few times with Martin regarding a camshaft package, and he did offer the option to go with a Bullet core - after I reiterated why I was hesitant to choose a vendor that exclusively used Comp cores (as I personally know two guys that have had camshaft "failures" as a result of what had appears to be poor workmanship and quality control). Martin was a stand up guy during our discussions, and I understand and admire his willingness to stand by his trusted vendor - I'm just not seeing the way by which he's done so as very professional.
No, I was the only Lunati in that thread. The rest were comp cams I believe. I did a lot of searching for videos, and did link to a few comp cam whining youtube videos, so maybe that is why you thought I had a comp.
I bought from flowtech, yes. Not his fault, obviously, however.
I bought from flowtech, yes. Not his fault, obviously, however.
Cam #2 was ordered early January from a different vendor.
Cam #1 was 219/231 .6xx .6xx 111+3
Cam #2 was 223/231 .6xx .6xx 111+1
Both shared same exhaust lobes, but Lunati told me they found issues on both intake/exhaust lobes.
Did Lunati say what the issue was?
Trying to diagnose if it was a problem with your lifters/combo or actually a problem with the cam cores. Like if the hardened or polishing was off.
Trying to diagnose if it was a problem with your lifters/combo or actually a problem with the cam cores. Like if the hardened or polishing was off.
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Both of those were silent.
The whine started as soon as I put in the Lunati ones.
The whine went away as soon as I took them out.
I did have a Lunati cam in 2012 that did not whine.
They did have an explanation, but it's way over my head and I don't quite understand it still. Polishing was part of the issue, yes. The cams looked fine when I took them out too, whatever is happening, you can't see with the naked eye.
FYI, I like playing with my setup, that is why I have done so many cam swaps
No, cam #1 was ordered from Flowtech in September
Cam #2 was ordered early January from a different vendor.
Cam #1 was 219/231 .6xx .6xx 111+3
Cam #2 was 223/231 .6xx .6xx 111+1
Both shared same exhaust lobes, but Lunati told me they found issues on both intake/exhaust lobes.
Cam #2 was ordered early January from a different vendor.
Cam #1 was 219/231 .6xx .6xx 111+3
Cam #2 was 223/231 .6xx .6xx 111+1
Both shared same exhaust lobes, but Lunati told me they found issues on both intake/exhaust lobes.
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As was posted on the other board. This paragraph makes you come across just like Martin. Who are you to say why or how they are doing what they are doing. Cam Motion was around before you and has been helping people in the industry for years. I've seen them mail a cam to a customer and wait on results for payment.
I understand you had to reply as your business is catching hell. But that statement is the kind of statement that Martin would make and is catching heat for. (now we know where he gets it.)
You may want to invest in some PR classes for you and your employees.
Mike
I understand you had to reply as your business is catching hell. But that statement is the kind of statement that Martin would make and is catching heat for. (now we know where he gets it.)
You may want to invest in some PR classes for you and your employees.
Mike
What was it that Jonathan said that makes you write this? All Jonathan did was point out where he feels Martin was wrong, but at the same time stands up for his friend and employee. Jonathan did not say anything negative about Kip or Cam Motion. What I took from his post is that he's trying to get all this Internet bullshit in the past so that both entities can move forward.
What was it that Jonathan said that makes you write this? All Jonathan did was point out where he feels Martin was wrong, but at the same time stands up for his friend and employee. Jonathan did not say anything negative about Kip or Cam Motion. What I took from his post is that he's trying to get all this Internet bullshit in the past so that both entities can move forward.
What was it that Jonathan said that makes you write this? All Jonathan did was point out where he feels Martin was wrong, but at the same time stands up for his friend and employee. Jonathan did not say anything negative about Kip or Cam Motion. What I took from his post is that he's trying to get all this Internet bullshit in the past so that both entities can move forward.
As far as Kip coming in, he's just taking advantage of a situation and giving explanations to a bunch of scared sheep. Opportunist is not a bad word.
Hopefully this thread won't turn into a **** storm again and maybe some issues that some manufacturers are having can be taken care of.