MS4 and stock stalled A4???
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MS4 and stock stalled A4??? Is it possible on a good tune? Obviously the car wont be near it's peak potential, but I just want to make sure the car would be driveable until a stall could be purchased. It would be on a '00 with LT's, borla, and a K&N fipk and stock 3.23's. Just curious.
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Joe.
Having a good tune isn't going to change the fact that it is a stock driveline. 
Save up and do it at one time. you will have a slug. If it was an M6 and you were waiting on gears it might be tolerable. Take it from me though. I run a 244/248 cam with stock 3.42's, Ram Twin Disc, Built T56, and it is slow till about 3500rpms. Your gas mileage will suck ***. I woudn't do it. It will be a terrible drive.
Save up and do it at one time. you will have a slug. If it was an M6 and you were waiting on gears it might be tolerable. Take it from me though. I run a 244/248 cam with stock 3.42's, Ram Twin Disc, Built T56, and it is slow till about 3500rpms. Your gas mileage will suck ***. I woudn't do it. It will be a terrible drive.
look in the dynometer section a guy posted #s last week with a stock stalled ms4......he said it tries to pull through brakes at an idle and is slow off the line.....a big cam is useless without a good stall
Originally Posted by crazyjoe
Is it possible on a good tune? Obviously the car wont be near it's peak potential, but I just want to make sure the car would be driveable until a stall could be purchased. It would be on a '00 with LT's, borla, and a K&N fipk and stock 3.23's. Just curious.
Joe.
Joe.
listen to everyone else on here, that car would be like driving a big pile of ****.... If it was an m6, yeah, but not an automatic. I have an ms4 in mine but its a m6 w/moser 12 bolt and 3.73's. when i get the money i'm putting 4.30's in it cause the 3.73's still aren't enough gear.
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Its been done....and its not HORRIBLE but it isnt much fun either.....my buddy ran his MS4 with the stock stall for a while untuned and it did ok.....another friend just had his vette tuned with the MS4 and stock stall and drives ok....no where close to normal stock driving but it does ok.
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Originally Posted by GT Griller
Its been done....and its not HORRIBLE but it isnt much fun either.....my buddy ran his MS4 with the stock stall for a while untuned and it did ok.....another friend just had his vette tuned with the MS4 and stock stall and drives ok....no where close to normal stock driving but it does ok.
Thanks man, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. I'm sure it wouldnt be anywhere close to stock, but as long as it would run. I'm surprised your buddy was able to drive his car without a tune, impressive. Did your buddies have any track times with the stock-stall and MS4 (before and after??)
I drove my 99 with a F13 cam and stock stall,you could drive it but it sucked *** untuned,tuned it was better but still sucked..I ran it at the track before the cam and ran 8.2's,and with the cam and stock stall I ran a best of 8.59,thats right slower...After I put the stall in I ran a 8.0,but it was the first time I had ever tried to launch a stalled car on street tires...If I had to do it over again I'd do the stall FIRST..
No he ran it on the stock stall cause the 3800 stall took forever to get here.....the dude in the vette just recently had TSP tune it and it drive good....kinda wants to push thru the breaks but other than that its fine and no track times for either on stock stalls...sorry.
Originally Posted by 99LS1T/A
I drove my 99 with a F13 cam and stock stall,you could drive it but it sucked *** untuned,tuned it was better but still sucked..I ran it at the track before the cam and ran 8.2's,and with the cam and stock stall I ran a best of 8.59,thats right slower...After I put the stall in I ran a 8.0,but it was the first time I had ever tried to launch a stalled car on street tires...If I had to do it over again I'd do the stall FIRST..
I am putting in my cam and then hopefully driving it over to my uncles lift and putting a stall in. Then I will hopefully drive it to get it tuned.
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Originally Posted by crazyjoe
Thanks man, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. I'm sure it wouldnt be anywhere close to stock, but as long as it would run. I'm surprised your buddy was able to drive his car without a tune, impressive. Did your buddies have any track times with the stock-stall and MS4 (before and after??)
Putting such a big cam on a stock stall is plain
, just what a juvenile 17 year old would do.Man I get so ticked off when good feedback is given, then some shmo just says, "Yeah, it is OK" and then that convinces you it is.
Stay away from camming your car, you are by no means ready to do so.
Last edited by PREDATOR-Z; Jul 27, 2007 at 02:28 AM.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
It is ammazing, heck;you ammaze me. Why ask a question if you already know the answer.
Putting such a big cam on a stock stall is plain , just what a juvenile 17 year old would do.
Man I get so ticked off when good feedback is given, then some shmo just says, "Yeah, it is OK" and then that convinces you it is.
Stay away from camming your car, you are by no means ready to do so.
Putting such a big cam on a stock stall is plain
, just what a juvenile 17 year old would do.Man I get so ticked off when good feedback is given, then some shmo just says, "Yeah, it is OK" and then that convinces you it is.
Stay away from camming your car, you are by no means ready to do so.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
It is ammazing, heck;you ammaze me. Why ask a question if you already know the answer.
Putting such a big cam on a stock stall is plain , just what a juvenile 17 year old would do.
Man I get so ticked off when good feedback is given, then some shmo just says, "Yeah, it is OK" and then that convinces you it is.
Stay away from camming your car, you are by no means ready to do so.
Putting such a big cam on a stock stall is plain
, just what a juvenile 17 year old would do.Man I get so ticked off when good feedback is given, then some shmo just says, "Yeah, it is OK" and then that convinces you it is.
Stay away from camming your car, you are by no means ready to do so.
Listen genious, if you paid attention to the original thread, you'll find that this isnt even for my car. I own an '02 WS6 in my sig, this is for a friends car, '00 WS6. I'm just trying to do some research for him to make sure the car will be DRIVEABLE since he is dead set on camming it before the stall. And just an fyi, my car is cammed, and it's running on the stock stall perfectly fine. I posted this thread to find out about driveability of such a large cam since mine is only a 224/224. My car went 8.30 @ 89.3mph, I havent updated my sig because I dont post here much (mainly because of members like you). So as far as I'm concerned, I've received more than enough information to consider this thread closed.
Originally Posted by crazyjoe
Listen genious, if you paid attention to the original thread, you'll find that this isnt even for my car. I own an '02 WS6 in my sig, this is for a friends car, '00 WS6. I'm just trying to do some research for him to make sure the car will be DRIVEABLE since he is dead set on camming it before the stall. And just an fyi, my car is cammed, and it's running on the stock stall perfectly fine. I posted this thread to find out about driveability of such a large cam since mine is only a 224/224. My car went 8.30 @ 89.3mph, I havent updated my sig because I dont post here much (mainly because of members like you). So as far as I'm concerned, I've received more than enough information to consider this thread closed.
you do realize who you just quoted and wrote a nasty little response to dont you??
Do you think your car is running to its potential with that cam and stock converter?? I think not...
and a little word of advice, dont try and help your buddies with their setups if yours is all jacked up to begin with.... if you want to go to a track and see a 4500# truck with far less cubes come around you... let me know, it can happen
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