New Weiand Street Warrior at SEMA
12-10-2007, 11:03 AM
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Tony has made me even happier as my GTO is heavy and I occasionally race it at the track.I will love the added low to midrange power this intake gives me over a LS2 especially if its $100 less then a FAST...
If I give up 10RW at peak but gain 15RW from 3000 to 5500 with the Wieand then its a no brainer for me.U hardcore drag racers will still want the Fast and or a Sheetmetal for your type of setup but us street guys should love the midrange bump in power
If I give up 10RW at peak but gain 15RW from 3000 to 5500 with the Wieand then its a no brainer for me.U hardcore drag racers will still want the Fast and or a Sheetmetal for your type of setup but us street guys should love the midrange bump in power
12-10-2007, 12:19 PM
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Tony has made me even happier as my GTO is heavy and I occasionally race it at the track.I will love the added low to midrange power this intake gives me over a LS2 especially if its $100 less then a FAST...
If I give up 10RW at peak but gain 15RW from 3000 to 5500 with the Wieand then its a no brainer for me.U hardcore drag racers will still want the Fast and or a Sheetmetal for your type of setup but us street guys should love the midrange bump in power
If I give up 10RW at peak but gain 15RW from 3000 to 5500 with the Wieand then its a no brainer for me.U hardcore drag racers will still want the Fast and or a Sheetmetal for your type of setup but us street guys should love the midrange bump in power
The intake sounds perfect for you assuming they finally produce a production piece that mimics the prototype. It's design does make alot of sense for some of you but what I was trying to clear up was the fact this isnt the holy grail of plastic intakes for the more aggressive among us. I was excited about the prospect of something better than the FAST but as soon as I saw it I knew it would never have the top end charge and high RPM breathing abilities of the FAST which a conversation with Peter also confirmed. BUT, for some of you reading this it makes alot of sense....for others it most certainly does not. I was personally looking for something on the other end of the spectrum, something that would help the top end charge of my current 383 and the next larger displacement project I am currently working on. Looks like my ported FAST is still going to get the nod, but I might try the Wilson billet bank sheetmetal piece on the new larger motor and see how that works. With close to 450 CID I wont mind a little less TQ if it helps me generate significantly more power peak and past peak....an area even my ported FAST will be struggling with on that large a displacement.
But the ultimate release of this new intake is good because more choices are good and perhaps more competition will cause Comp (FAST) to back off a bit on their pricing....it seems they have had a monopoly on the aftermarket LS intake for a long time.
Thanks,
Tony
12-10-2007, 01:31 PM
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^I was referring more to the people that were bitching about it not holding power out about 6200 RPM. Personally, I was just hoping for a little more top end than the LS6... but I guess I'll just have to go with the FAST afterall.
12-10-2007, 03:26 PM
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wow great for you , wanna cookie?
Oh please
, take your holier than now attitude and shove a wombat up your *** lol, this about a manifold designed for the street guy, Try to stay with us. I know you're from down under and all.
Oh please
, take your holier than now attitude and shove a wombat up your *** lol, this about a manifold designed for the street guy, Try to stay with us. I know you're from down under and all.
12-10-2007, 03:31 PM
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I'm sure you talk from experience though, and not just talking because your a internet keyboard mechanic right?
12-10-2007, 04:12 PM
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I am curious what makes you an expert on the subject at hand? A lot of people like to spin their combos high, myself included. If you do a little bit of research, you will notice a correlation between the fastest cam only cars and heads cam cars. I guarantee you not a single one of them is spinning their engine under 6500 RPM, smart guy.
12-10-2007, 05:17 PM
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it was an example 
if I said 7500 rpm would that make you guys feel better? Hey I don't care go ahead and spend 2500 bucks on a custom sheet manifold and get beat it makes no difference to me.
real world experience is where I get my answers from..
blackz stick to posting on ls2.
if I said 7500 rpm would that make you guys feel better? Hey I don't care go ahead and spend 2500 bucks on a custom sheet manifold and get beat it makes no difference to me.
real world experience is where I get my answers from..
blackz stick to posting on ls2.
12-10-2007, 05:45 PM
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The only way a sheet metal even begins to make sense is on a high strung solid roller 7500 RPM or greater piece.
Plus you had better be prepared to leave the line at 6000 plus....its really a race only piece and that's assuming the rest of the combination would hold up to the RPM necessary to best take advantage of it.
A few guys have already tried them in aggressive street stroker engines and they haven't been very effective...
Tony
PS....Certainly look intimidating though!
Plus you had better be prepared to leave the line at 6000 plus....its really a race only piece and that's assuming the rest of the combination would hold up to the RPM necessary to best take advantage of it.
A few guys have already tried them in aggressive street stroker engines and they haven't been very effective...
Tony
PS....Certainly look intimidating though!
12-10-2007, 05:53 PM
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it was an example
if I said 7500 rpm would that make you guys feel better? Hey I don't care go ahead and spend 2500 bucks on a custom sheet manifold and get beat it makes no difference to me.
real world experience is where I get my answers from..
blackz stick to posting on ls2.
if I said 7500 rpm would that make you guys feel better? Hey I don't care go ahead and spend 2500 bucks on a custom sheet manifold and get beat it makes no difference to me.
real world experience is where I get my answers from..
blackz stick to posting on ls2.
12-11-2007, 04:43 PM
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If it is indeed as advertised, then it should be sweet for a stalled car.With a 3600 stall you should have more torque on launch,and hence better 60' times. With a small to baby cam most are peaking at 6100/6300 rpm and shifting at 6500/6600 rpm.Assuming a 4800 shift extension you should have more power thru most of this range.This should IMHO result in better ets.
12-11-2007, 06:04 PM
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We spent some time looking over the intake at the PRI show. Here is my take on the intake. Again, this is just me and the folks I was with...
I saw some things that I liked on the intake like the larger plenum area, and the radius entry from the plenum. But, I and several folks who spent some time looking at the intake saw some things which caused us some serious concern.
When you look at the intake, you see that the ports on the new intake are smaller than the ls6. IMHO if you wanted to build a better intake, they would have built an intake with a D shaped runner like the factory intake but simply larger in scale. That coupled with a larger plenum volume and 90MM TB opening would have helped folks out. IMHO the intake shrinks too quickly, and the ports are just too small.
At the current price point I think I would give the nod to the FAST at this point. I think this manifold had potential, but in it current state, it needs to take a trip over to someone who better understands airflow to fix the runner design. I really think Holley needs to give this some more thought.
You can look at their provided dyno sheet and see this manifold is running out of gas on a small motor. Look at some of the graphs of the FAST and you can see the difference.
I'll say this. I think the manifold has some strong potential, but again, I don't think in its current form it is ideal.... I see definite room for improvement.
I spent some time talking with the guys from Wilson since they were showing a composite version of the super Victor for 23 degree stuff. I spent awhile pumping them about them doing something for the LS. But, I don't know if there is any restriction based on their development of the FAST.
I saw some things that I liked on the intake like the larger plenum area, and the radius entry from the plenum. But, I and several folks who spent some time looking at the intake saw some things which caused us some serious concern.
When you look at the intake, you see that the ports on the new intake are smaller than the ls6. IMHO if you wanted to build a better intake, they would have built an intake with a D shaped runner like the factory intake but simply larger in scale. That coupled with a larger plenum volume and 90MM TB opening would have helped folks out. IMHO the intake shrinks too quickly, and the ports are just too small.
At the current price point I think I would give the nod to the FAST at this point. I think this manifold had potential, but in it current state, it needs to take a trip over to someone who better understands airflow to fix the runner design. I really think Holley needs to give this some more thought.
You can look at their provided dyno sheet and see this manifold is running out of gas on a small motor. Look at some of the graphs of the FAST and you can see the difference.
I'll say this. I think the manifold has some strong potential, but again, I don't think in its current form it is ideal.... I see definite room for improvement.
I spent some time talking with the guys from Wilson since they were showing a composite version of the super Victor for 23 degree stuff. I spent awhile pumping them about them doing something for the LS. But, I don't know if there is any restriction based on their development of the FAST.
12-12-2007, 11:46 AM
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I can't wait for this intake. It looks like it is tailor made for my setup. I have no desire to spin to 7 grand and would be wasting my time if I did. I plan on shifting at 6200 on the track. For guys with mild setups this has the potential to be very sweet. I'll take one in everbrite chrome.
