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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 11:26 AM
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Yes a higher volume pump would help - think VVT and DOD engines...highest volume and pressure OEM pump. The cam phasers and DOD lifters are very oil hungry.

But I don’t think you’ll have an issue unless pressure drops very low when the oil gets hot, or is unstable under load. Reliable oil pressure is more important than overall pressure once above ~50psi...anything more isn’t really useful.
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Yes. As I said earlier, I saw a pressure drop with the axle oiling on hydraulic set ups also. Once I hit cruising at 1200 rpm, it was up near 40. Once the pump gets some RPM it's fine. I truly do not think you will have an issue. As they tune it in, keep an eye on the pressure.

I think you are fine.
Would you also say a 15psi drop across the board is normal too?
I certainly don't want to have oiling issues and blow the engine.
They would need to put me in the nuthouse if that was to happen.
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Originally Posted by bortous
Would you also say a 15psi drop across the board is normal too?
I certainly don't want to have oiling issues and blow the engine.
They would need to put me in the nuthouse if that was to happen.
Yeah I hear you. But in my experience, it wasn't 15 psi across the board. As the pump gets RPM, flow increases. You already have a high flow pump. It'll close the gap with RPM. If it were mine, (maybe a bit different because I tune my own), I would slowly bring up RPM as I dial in the VE table and keep an eye on oil pressure. If it gets into the 3000 range and it is still very low, I'd worry. But I think if you just do a sustained high idle say 1200-1500 rpm, you'll see it's fine.

Just don't go rip a 7500 rpm pull until you know what the pump is doing. At some point, it will stall out. The pump can only pump so much, and the relief spring will open, so you'll be at 70 or so PSI near the top of the RPM range.

Now, if you run 1200-1500 rpm, and it's not coming up, then stop right then and address the pump. But I would be running along cruising with oil pressure in the 38-50 range, and as soon as I came to a stop, it dropped to mid 20's. It ran like that until I pulled it apart for the new motor.

If you're nervous, well a high pressure pump is relatively cheap. Plus the cost of getting the front cover off to install it.
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As stated: as long as you have at least 15, preferably 20 psi @ hot idle, AND 7 PSI per 1000 RPM
rising with wot so 50 PSI @ 7000 AND using a quality synthetic at correct viscosity, & temp,
you are good!
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
As stated: as long as you have at least 15, preferably 20 psi @ hot idle, AND 7 PSI per 1000 RPM
rising with wot so 50 PSI @ 7000 AND using a quality synthetic at correct viscosity, & temp,
you are good!
My car when oil temps reach 235-240 will see around 16-18 at hot idle after 3 passes back to back. Still gets to 65 at close to 8000
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
My car when oil temps reach 235-240 will see around 16-18 at hot idle after 3 passes back to back. Still gets to 65 at close to 8000
Yours are hydraulic and axle oiled right?
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Yours are hydraulic and axle oiled right?
That is correct Darth.
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Thanks for the information guys.
From what I remember I was at 25-30psi of oil pressure before once up to temperature.


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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 04:37 AM
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The oil pump was hi volume right? Wouldn’t it of been better to use a hi pressure pump given it has axle oil lifters? Forgive me if I’m wrong, it’s hard to navigate when on my phone.

any results yet?
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
The oil pump was hi volume right? Wouldn’t it of been better to use a hi pressure pump given it has axle oil lifters? Forgive me if I’m wrong, it’s hard to navigate when on my phone.

any results yet?
It's a high volume oil pump.
i have no idea a high pressure pump even exists?
There are no results.
Engine was put together and is running fine.
Only the oil pressure is too low and engine needs a tune.
I also have to replace the damn alternator too.


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Melling 10296 high volume high pressure.... I ran one on my 454 ls2 stroker, no problems at all
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bortous
It's a high volume oil pump.
i have no idea a high pressure pump even exists?
There are no results.
Engine was put together and is running fine.
Only the oil pressure is too low and engine needs a tune.
I also have to replace the damn alternator too.
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:19 AM
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The "high volume" pumps will actually do more for idle oil pressure than the "high pressure" pumps will. I've seen guys with less than 20psi oil pressure at hot idle and last for years of abuse. Cut open and inspect the oil filter for the first few oil changes and if it's clean, then you have nothing to worry about.
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by psicko
The "high volume" pumps will actually do more for idle oil pressure than the "high pressure" pumps will. I've seen guys with less than 20psi oil pressure at hot idle and last for years of abuse. Cut open and inspect the oil filter for the first few oil changes and if it's clean, then you have nothing to worry about.
So everyone keeps saying.
Is there a reason why the oil pressure would lose that much psi?
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:50 AM
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Because you have 16 pinholes for axle oiling drawing oil off the system. Flow goes up, pressure goes down. But because it is high volume pump all it needs is rpm.
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 09:04 AM
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Control oil leaks. IIRC....... Mr Mamo term. Again, if IIRC
Old Dec 6, 2019 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bortous
So everyone keeps saying.
Is there a reason why the oil pressure would lose that much psi?
I thought that was already answered. The axle oiling in the lifters is going to certainly drop the pressure.

It's really nothing to worry about because it's not the pressure you see on your gauge that is important, especially with solid lifters. The main and rod bearings are designed to create their own pressure to keep the crank journal separated from the bearing itself aka hydrodynamic wedge. Increasing the pump volume to get the pressure up is probably just going to cause more oil to get tossed around in the bottom end and create more windage.
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Originally Posted by psicko
I thought that was already answered. The axle oiling in the lifters is going to certainly drop the pressure.

It's really nothing to worry about because it's not the pressure you see on your gauge that is important, especially with solid lifters. The main and rod bearings are designed to create their own pressure to keep the crank journal separated from the bearing itself aka hydrodynamic wedge. Increasing the pump volume to get the pressure up is probably just going to cause more oil to get tossed around in the bottom end and create more windage.
Very good point.
The only person who said something different to everyone in here is Howards cams.
Here is what they saidirect oiling to the axle will have no effect on oil pressure.

We have had no oiling issues with those lifters & have verified with Morel incase they had any other customers with an issue.

Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by psicko
I thought that was already answered. The axle oiling in the lifters is going to certainly drop the pressure.

It's really nothing to worry about because it's not the pressure you see on your gauge that is important, especially with solid lifters. The main and rod bearings are designed to create their own pressure to keep the crank journal separated from the bearing itself aka hydrodynamic wedge. Increasing the pump volume to get the pressure up is probably just going to cause more oil to get tossed around in the bottom end and create more windage.
If it's working for some people with low pressure at rpm, and i repeat at rpm not just at idle, because I get that idle rpm is going to be fine with even 10psi, but at 7500rpm if some of you are getting away with 50psi.. I'm not sure if I'd run it that way.

Bortous you said it's down 15psi across the board, not just idle. So it must be sitting around 50psi at 7k rpm? I hope for your sake it's fine as is and the psi loss is of no detriment to the bottom end. The high volume pump you have should help keep bearings alive even though your pressure is now lower.
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Originally Posted by bortous
The only person who said something different to everyone in here is Howards cams.
Here is what they said: direct oiling to the axle will have no effect on oil pressure.
Well that's bs. Every axle oiled lifter is going to lose some pressure. My initial point was I think some of the solid lifters have been designed better than others and don't see as much pressure loss especially at high rpm. I might never find out myself because I've chosen to use the drop-in morel solid lifters for now for my ls2 build which going from what Darth said those lifters kept his oil pressure basically like oem. If I ever damage those lifters I think I'd go with either the crower hippos or the cam motion (cranes) that Darth has.



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