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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 07:24 PM
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Whoever said the heads on my baby cam wouldnt pick up was correct.

picked up 8 hp lol

Made 478.

Currently have the car apart for the stage 4 Summit cam to see if the big cam makes the heads shine. Or if they're just too large for an ls3. Was a humbling day on the dyno Saturday lol

Stay tuned for the big cam . Just waiting for it to come in . The ghost cam is out of the engine currently.

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Just saw the vid and was like wtf? That 1hp gained from the rod mod intake doesn’t seem too bad considering the $$ spent LOL. This was on E?
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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 07:38 PM
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Wow, wtf! I wonder how much the stock heads would pick up with some handy bowl work?

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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
Just saw the vid and was like wtf? That 1hp gained from the rod mod intake doesn’t seem too bad considering the $$ spent LOL. This was on E?
Not full e . I fucked up and only drained 1 saddle bag lol then put in 5 gallons of e. This was like e35 .
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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stampede4ever
Wow, wtf! I wonder how much the stock heads would pick up with some handy bowl work?

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My stock heads were milled .030 with a REALLY good valve job and bowl blend .
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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn
My stock heads were milled .030 with a REALLY good valve job and bowl blend .
On your particular engine, what would you ESTIMATE is the power gain from just the above mods?
Actually was just interested in the bowl blend and valve job, but they're milled too, so OK.
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Old Apr 5, 2021 | 08:41 PM
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On your particular engine, what would you ESTIMATE is the power gain from just the above mods?
Actually was just interested in the bowl blend and valve job, but they're milled too, so OK.
Apparently enough that a set of aftermarket casting heads only picked up 8 hp lol
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Apparently enough that a set of aftermarket casting heads only picked up 8 hp lol
Whoa... ALMOST not really worth putting the aftermarket heads on...... But 8 HP IS 8 HP... lol
But that said, sounds like very much a worthwhile mod!
I've read more than once here that a good bowl blend and multiangle valve job are 80% of a good port job, and only if the port mods are of benefit.
If I may ask, who did the above-described work on the heads?
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Whoa... ALMOST not really worth putting the aftermarket heads on...... But 8 HP IS 8 HP... lol
But that said, sounds like very much a worthwhile mod!
I've read more than once here that a good bowl blend and multiangle valve job are 80% of a good port job, and only if the port mods are of benefit.
If I may ask, who did the above-described work on the heads?
my buddy Juan @Laguna race engines in Houston, TX. He does all my head work. Hes got some really awesome machines and does great work. Affordable too!
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 11:34 AM
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See, this is what happens when "church port mafia" goes big port square heads. Man this thread snowballed ta fack out of control from "fix my daily driver honey" I'm not spending big money here so I'm just going to put a small cam in there and use what I have,... to aftermarket heads, 2 cams, etc. lol
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Originally Posted by Mavn
Whoever said the heads on my baby cam wouldnt pick up was correct.

picked up 8 hp lol

Made 478.

Currently have the car apart for the stage 4 Summit cam to see if the big cam makes the heads shine. Or if they're just too large for an ls3. Was a humbling day on the dyno Saturday lol

Stay tuned for the big cam . Just waiting for it to come in . The ghost cam is out of the engine currently.
NA mods are a kick in the shorts for sure! Still not too late to go turbo
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 01:11 PM
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See, this is what happens when "church port mafia" goes big port square heads. Man this thread snowballed ta fack out of control from "fix my daily driver honey" I'm not spending big money here so I'm just going to put a small cam in there and use what I have,... to aftermarket heads, 2 cams, etc. lol
my favorite kind of build lmao!
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 01:13 PM
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NA mods are a kick in the shorts for sure! Still not too late to go turbo
nahhh. The fbodys the turbo car for now. After this thing does what I want I might get crazy with it. I do have 6 bolt thick deck heads after all 🤷🏻‍♂️
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The heads may simply have too much CSA for the rpm and cubes of this engine. IF someone wants to stay with a smaller cam, converter and inexpensive intake, this at least shows how these particular heads responded. There are other aftermarket aluminum heads (TFS 255's as an example) that have a smaller high velocity port and would yield bigger gains with the present combination. So now it's time for more cam, more cubes, and an experiment with runner length. These will undoubtedly shift the power band up and to the right and it will be interesting to see if the longer runners crutch the bigger cam and heads to work better with that 3800 converter. Looking forward to the results!
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It is not just the CSA but the engine wasn't demanding any additional CFM at the power it is producing. I bet the stock heads that Mavn did would provide enough peak airflow to make 700hp with virtually no restriction. I would've been curious to hear more about how it drove with the 280cc heads with the small cam. 280cc is big enough for a high rpm 427+ cube engine. It might've even lost performance despite gaining some power. Some of that 8hp is likely from the little bit higher compression with 64cc chambers. .030 cut off ls3 heads is ~65.5cc.

I am a big fan of ls3 heads, but you really only need 225-235cc for a high performance ls3 going by the math alone.

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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
It is not just the CSA but the engine wasn't demanding any additional CFM at the power it is producing. I bet the stock heads that Mavn did would provide enough peak airflow to make 700hp with virtually no restriction. I would've been curious to hear more about how it drove with the 280cc heads with the small cam. 280cc is big enough for a high rpm 427+ cube engine. It might've even lost performance despite gaining some power. Some of that 8hp is likely from the little bit higher compression with 64cc chambers. .030 cut off ls3 heads is ~65.5cc.

I am a big fan of ls3 heads, but you really only need 225-235cc for a high performance ls3 going by the math alone.
The drivability with the Big heads was the same as the stockers. Drove like factory. Im with you on the nit needing a huge head . Im used to cathedral stuff. Where when you go to a 247cc or 235 cc cathedral from a stock or ported 243 you gain crazy amounts. Learning is fun!
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Originally Posted by Mavn
nahhh. The fbodys the turbo car for now. After this thing does what I want I might get crazy with it. I do have 6 bolt thick deck heads after all 🤷🏻‍♂️
Whats the “what I want” goal?
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Still have the stock torque converter in the car?
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 09:14 PM
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Still have the stock torque converter in the car?
Yes. My 245mm circle d 4000 will be in in about a week
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