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Old 05-23-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Finally starting to make some progress *Edit* EDIS Swap Info inside

I've been working on my truck since January last year. Doing what I can when I get time and buying parts here and there. Sometimes I just look at it and think about how much time I've spent and it feels like I'm not getting anywhere. When you see guys who build these stellar cars in 6 months. True they have gobs of money to throw at it but my aspirations are no where near those types of builds. Today I stepped back and finally felt like i had made some progress. I'm actually starting to get excited about this thing again after seeing it sit for so long.







Heres my coil packs driven by the Ford EDIS now, no more crappy optispark! Ignore the numbering on the coils.


Here's the EDIS module..allows 50* of advance and much more reliable than the shitty opti and easier to modify than GM DIS.



Heres the begining of the bracket for my crank trigger, still waiting to get my new dampner with the 36 tooth wheel back.


Headmen shorties..they will get replaced when my new engine goes in next year with custom made long tubes.




In case you're wondering this is what the truck looks like...




It also has a TCI TH350 with a 3,000 stall. It is controlled with a MS2 controlling fuel and spark both. I still need to get the fuel system done, which will consist of a 16 gallon fuel cell in the bed, and a A1000 pump. We're also putting a Jegster 10pt cage in, it's not needed with the current LT1 but the new engine should put it in the range of needing a cage to be track legal. Still trying to decide on a 4 link or a ladder bar rear.


Anyone else have a project they've been working on for a long time and wonder sometimes if they will ever finish it?

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I'm right there with ya man. 2 1/2+ years so far, and i'm so close I can taste it. I adjusted the rockers too tight for the solid roller setup i've got, and it's not getting any compression because the valves are hanging open. I've got everything setup on it to get it running, just gotta adjust the valve lash tonight, and see if I can start her up. 396 LT4, with a cam from hell, and i'm just hopin it will be finished soon. I ended up doing most of the suspension with after market, rebuilding the t-56 tranny, and putting in a moser 9 inch rear. Lots of work and money, never know when it'll end.
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Nice work! Very impressive build. Keep us posted.
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That looks bad ***. what do you think it will run?
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I really don't have a clue or guestimate. Traction is going to be a HUGE issue with it being lowered. I'm hoping I have room to run a set of caltracs at least until I can get it back halved. I also need to get my new tb and svo injectors. I am going to use this engine to practice my tuning skills with the megasquirt before I drop a new engine in, which is either gonna be a 383 or a 396 all forged stroker.
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awesome man, my dad has a 93 lt1 in his 67 c-10.
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Can you PLEASE PLEASE give me any diagrams or information you have about the Megasquirt/eDIS setup? As soon as my car is running again I'll be purchasing one and I'm trying to gather all the information I will need for it. The biggest help would be if you could get me some diagrams or as many pictures as you can of your mounting brackets for the EDIS stuff.
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Theres a ton of info out there about EDIS and EDIS8. Remember you MUST use a EDIS8 module and not a 6 or 4. You can find them on mid 90's crown vics and lincolns. I found mine on a 94 Crown Vic police cruiser (ironic since my LT came from a 94' Caprice police cruiser!).

Here's the schematic I used to wire mine up.


Instead of using the 4 tower coils from Ford I used 2 tower GM dis coil packs. I wired them up to a keyed, fused and relayed 12v source.

Then used Pin 8 for coil A, Pin 9 for Coil B, Pin 11 for Coil C and Pin 12 for Coil D wired to the negative side of the coil pack. The coils are then wired to the plugs in this order...

Coil A 1-6
Coil B 8-5
Coil C 4-7
Coil D 3-2

So as you can see the module fires the coils ABCD - ABCD - ABCD in a wasted spark setup. So when the one plug is firing on the compression stroke the other will be firing during the exhaust stroke. Hence the term wasted spark.

The EDIS module has overload protection so you will not overload the module with the other coil packs. I would NOT use the MSD and Accel coil packs. They have higher resistance and on a stock ignition system such as this do NOT offer a better spark. In some cases it's been proven you get less spark! The added resistance will only serve to cause a weaker spark at higher rpm also.

The area you MUST pay attention to is the wiring to the VR sensor. It should have a ground shield which is grounded to pin 7 on the EDIS module. Do NOT ground the other end of the shield. If you do not get a rpm signal or it will not start it is usually a reversed PIP and SAW wire at the VR sensor. Also do NOT allow the vr wiring to come within 6 inches of your plug wires or you will get a dirty vr signal and a miss at upper rpms.

The crank trigger is a 36-1 tooth setup. Meaning it has 36 teeth minus 1. You can get universal wheels from http://www.trigger-wheels.com/ they are laser cut and very nice pieces. OR you can get a wheel from any EDIS (even a EDIS4, 6 or 8 equipped vehicle) and have it machined to fit your dampner.

Also I assume you know you will need the latest msNs firmware and hardware modifications will be required to your megasquirt unit to operate the EDIS. Megasquirt will see the EDIS as a distributer setup.

Heres some more technical info for you to look over.

On all EDIS installations, the missing tooth of the wheel is aligned with the VR sensor when the engine is at the above TDC value. This means your crank wheel needs to be aligned on the damper such that when the engine is N degrees BTDC, the missing tooth is lined up with the VR sensor. You may need to adjust the wheel slightly so the actual timing matches the intended base timing (10° BTDC). You can use a cam timing wheel to set this, or set Cyl #1 at TDC and advance the crank wheel so the missing tooth is the correct degrees BTDC according to the table above. You can also align the missing tooth with the TDC mark on the balancer and make the VRS sensor mount adjustable.

Inside the EDIS module is a microprocessor, VR sensor input, and coil driver transistors. The VR sensor drives an input detector which fires on the falling zero crossing of the signal at -300mv. The module then uses this information to calculate the current crank position and speed. When the EDIS module determines the spark should be ignited, it fires the appropriate coil. The EMF flyback from the coil then triggers the IDM of the EDIS module and causes it to emit a tach pulse on the IDM pin.

The first thing the EDIS module does is sync up to the missing tooth of the wheel. The EDIS module keeps an internal counter of teeth, if for some reason the counter loses sync with the wheel, the module will attempt to resync.

Each EDIS module is hard programmed for the number of cylinders in the intended application. By knowing the number of cylinders, it knows how many teeth are between each cylinder on the crank wheel. When the number of teeth required passes the VR sensor, the EDIS module emits the PIP signal to the ECU. The PIP signal is emitted at the TDC of the cylinder.

The number of teeth between cylinders directly corresponds to the SAW signal sent from the ECU. Ford uses a very simple and robust mechanism for communicating the spark advance to the EDIS module. The EDIS module uses an internal 250Khz clock for clocking in the advance word. This means that there is a 4us or 5/32nd of a degree resolution. The SAW signal is essentially an enable line which the clock uses to increment a 16 bit binary counter. Since the clock rate is 250Khz, the counter is really a 9-bit effective counter. The counter is then multiplied by 4 (shifted left by 2 bits) and the high word is used as the integer number of teeth which must pass the VR sensor and the low word is the fractional tooth that must pass the VR sensor. The EDIS module counts the whole teeth, then loads an 8 bit counter with the fractional portion. When the counter expires, the EDIS module fires the coil. The period of the 8-bit counter is 1 tooth period at the given RPM.

The Ford patent says that the SAW is communicated to the EDIS module approximately 10us after 10° ATDC. This is to ensure that there are no spark events occurring, since the SAW accumulator can not be set externally while it's being read or cleared.

The SAW can be communicated at any time other than during a spark event. Also, the SAW will be stored in the EDIS module so the advance does not need to be updated every cylinder event. The EDIS module MUST receive a SAW signal from the ECU within 5 cylinder events or the EDIS will default to LOS mode and 10° BTDC spark advance.

The EDIS module has the capability of performing recurring spark, more commonly referred to as Multiple Spark Discharge. The latter is usually associated with CD ignition boxes. This feature was introduced with the 1990 1.9L Escort/Tracer engine. The ECU enables the MSD below 1800RPM on these engines. To signal to the EDIS module that MSD is desired, the SAW is lengthened by 2048us on 4/6/8 cylinder units, and 1024us on 10 cylinder units. The EDIS module can achieve up to 3 sparks per cylinder event using this feature.

The IDM signal present on all EDIS modules is used as the factory tach output to the ECU. This signal is used to determine the welfare of the ignition system. If a coil primary opens or does not fire, the IDM signal is not emitted, and thus the coil is faulty. The IDM signal is triggered by the flyback voltage of the coil being fired. The EDIS module processes this into a 512us pulse on the IDM line during operation. When the engine is stopped, but the Key is turned on (KOEOff), the EDIS module emits a 64us pulse every 262.144ms to indicate proper operation. Because of this, any tachometer operation from this line must filter out the 64us pulses.

Spark Angle Word Calculation

The algebraic formula for calculating the SAW pulsewidth is:

SAW Pulsewidth (usec) = 1536 - (25.6 x (desired spark advance in degrees))
Range: 64 - 1792us (57.5° BTDC to 10° ATDC)
Resolution: 4us (5/32nd of a degree)

Example:

You want 29 degrees of advance.

PW = 1536 - (25.6 * 29)

PW = 1536 - (742.4)

PW = 793.6

You would send a pulse that is 793.6 microseconds long to the EDIS module.

The EDIS module will do all the work of timing the spark, you just send the advance pulse.

The EDIS has an advance range of 57.4 degrees BTDC to 10 degrees ATDC. These correspond to the SAW widths of 64 and 1792 microseconds respectively.
from http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html

Read this too!
http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm
http://www.jsm-net.demon.co.uk/megas.../hardware.html
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So how is this going?
I'm looking for some info on the megasquirt and remembered reading this post a while back.
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Seems like I stumbled upon this when it was first posted. Very impressive I must say! I'm not much on the ingenuity.



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