Coyotah vs ls
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It don't.....it just makes me think you're that ******* stupid especially after hammer splained it to your dumbass.
Do you ever get tired of tears running down your face?? Or is it so nat6that your used to it.
Do you ever get tired of tears running down your face?? Or is it so nat6that your used to it.
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Bro parts are cheap and abundant. You can put together a boosted bro for much cheaper than a boosted 6gen (same kit) and likely be faster. That’s what MM is getting at as far as hang for your buck. I can probably count the parts on my car that were bought new for my car in one hand.
6th gen not the easiest to tune,LT1 doesn't like much boost ,fuel mods are pricey and it seems easier to go with the Mustang. 6th gen is an expensive car too. Go price one. Mustang aftermarket is bigger. Here in Florida my example depending on blower choice can run high tens down to mid 9s. That is pretty impressive for a stock appearing car that can be DD. If you don't wrench you can find a dealer installed blown used one if you look hard enough. I am sure Poppa input would be the same as mine. Of course a Vette is a much better car but we are talking speed / power wise in a straightline
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They have basic combos that work on 5br0s fo sho. The gm guys hasn't really pushed the issue much with the 6gen imo.
The fueling is fixed with the procharger intake and auxiliary injectors. Use it....don't be dumb about it. That set up has proven to do 1k+whp on a lt4 slb.
I see no problem running low 10s or into the 9s with a boosted 6gen. I mean they can get there cam only.
What i see is these guys fighting **** combos instead of using something that works mostly.
The fueling is fixed with the procharger intake and auxiliary injectors. Use it....don't be dumb about it. That set up has proven to do 1k+whp on a lt4 slb.
I see no problem running low 10s or into the 9s with a boosted 6gen. I mean they can get there cam only.
What i see is these guys fighting **** combos instead of using something that works mostly.
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So one side states the heads tell what the engine is. No matter anything else.
The other side states come out & just say what you got.
There are definitely two kinds of people in racing/modding cars. Some will tell you every part & detail of their combo. Some like to stay seceret & not tell mods.
So say we have two 427ci LS engines. Both with ls3 heads. One is an under square motor & one is an over square motor. Bore/stroke. How could anyone tell which one is which?? I mean to some it's the heads that's it. Some actually like engine details. Bore/stroke/block etc.
A pair of heads/intake ain't doing **** without a bottom end. And a short block ain't doing **** with out heads.
So are we both right? Or are we both wrong?
If people like to hide ****. Or play tricks. Good for them. And really that's hiho to me. Lol
Peace out y'allz.
The other side states come out & just say what you got.
There are definitely two kinds of people in racing/modding cars. Some will tell you every part & detail of their combo. Some like to stay seceret & not tell mods.
So say we have two 427ci LS engines. Both with ls3 heads. One is an under square motor & one is an over square motor. Bore/stroke. How could anyone tell which one is which?? I mean to some it's the heads that's it. Some actually like engine details. Bore/stroke/block etc.
A pair of heads/intake ain't doing **** without a bottom end. And a short block ain't doing **** with out heads.
So are we both right? Or are we both wrong?
If people like to hide ****. Or play tricks. Good for them. And really that's hiho to me. Lol
Peace out y'allz.
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From: S. Fla.
I hope you mean something more affordable and not this
https://weaponxmotorsports.com/produ...=5777974296603
https://weaponxmotorsports.com/produ...=5777974296603
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
6th gen not the easiest to tune,LT1 doesn't like much boost ,fuel mods are pricey and it seems easier to go with the Mustang. 6th gen is an expensive car too. Go price one. Mustang aftermarket is bigger. Here in Florida my example depending on blower choice can run high tens down to mid 9s. That is pretty impressive for a stock appearing car that can be DD. If you don't wrench you can find a dealer installed blown used one if you look hard enough. I am sure Poppa input would be the same as mine. Of course a Vette is a much better car but we are talking speed / power wise in a straightline
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Pray took a A8 SS with a SLB LT1 to 10.0 @ 138 with a P1x @ 10psi, meth, headers, and converter. 1st time at the track, Full weight car, and it hit the limiter on a couple shifts. Never got the car back to the track before it came apart for a cam.
Magnuson shop car also went 9.9 @ 140 on stock exhaust with LT4 fueling. There have been a couple others around those times as well. Another Magnuson car went 10.1 @ 138 with stock exhaust, LT4 fuel system, meth. Went 200 passes which 40 were 14psi + before it let go. Had he added cat less headers and kept boost around 12psi or lower it would probably still be alive.
Either way several SBE LT1's have been into the 7xx whp. Most shops are pushing drop in piston upgrade with a bigger fuel lobe cam for added head room in fueling and added durability. Can't blame them for how critical the tuning window is on this engine.
On DI the fuel injection timing and rail pressure is critical. You get above 6.5ms on the injectors and the fuel is getting burnt outside of the combustion window, the cylinder goes lean, but the wideband shows AFR is fine = recipe for piston failure. You can't tune these engines off of AFR alone.
Jm2c fwiw.
Magnuson shop car also went 9.9 @ 140 on stock exhaust with LT4 fueling. There have been a couple others around those times as well. Another Magnuson car went 10.1 @ 138 with stock exhaust, LT4 fuel system, meth. Went 200 passes which 40 were 14psi + before it let go. Had he added cat less headers and kept boost around 12psi or lower it would probably still be alive.
Either way several SBE LT1's have been into the 7xx whp. Most shops are pushing drop in piston upgrade with a bigger fuel lobe cam for added head room in fueling and added durability. Can't blame them for how critical the tuning window is on this engine.
On DI the fuel injection timing and rail pressure is critical. You get above 6.5ms on the injectors and the fuel is getting burnt outside of the combustion window, the cylinder goes lean, but the wideband shows AFR is fine = recipe for piston failure. You can't tune these engines off of AFR alone.
Jm2c fwiw.
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They have basic combos that work on 5br0s fo sho. The gm guys hasn't really pushed the issue much with the 6gen imo.
The fueling is fixed with the procharger intake and auxiliary injectors. Use it....don't be dumb about it. That set up has proven to do 1k+whp on a lt4 slb.
I see no problem running low 10s or into the 9s with a boosted 6gen. I mean they can get there cam only.
What i see is these guys fighting **** combos instead of using something that works mostly.
The fueling is fixed with the procharger intake and auxiliary injectors. Use it....don't be dumb about it. That set up has proven to do 1k+whp on a lt4 slb.
I see no problem running low 10s or into the 9s with a boosted 6gen. I mean they can get there cam only.
What i see is these guys fighting **** combos instead of using something that works mostly.
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From: Winchester, VA
So one side states the heads tell what the engine is. No matter anything else.
The other side states come out & just say what you got.
There are definitely two kinds of people in racing/modding cars. Some will tell you every part & detail of their combo. Some like to stay seceret & not tell mods.
So say we have two 427ci LS engines. Both with ls3 heads. One is an under square motor & one is an over square motor. Bore/stroke. How could anyone tell which one is which?? I mean to some it's the heads that's it. Some actually like engine details. Bore/stroke/block etc.
A pair of heads/intake ain't doing **** without a bottom end. And a short block ain't doing **** with out heads.
So are we both right? Or are we both wrong?
If people like to hide ****. Or play tricks. Good for them. And really that's hiho to me. Lol
Peace out y'allz.
The other side states come out & just say what you got.
There are definitely two kinds of people in racing/modding cars. Some will tell you every part & detail of their combo. Some like to stay seceret & not tell mods.
So say we have two 427ci LS engines. Both with ls3 heads. One is an under square motor & one is an over square motor. Bore/stroke. How could anyone tell which one is which?? I mean to some it's the heads that's it. Some actually like engine details. Bore/stroke/block etc.
A pair of heads/intake ain't doing **** without a bottom end. And a short block ain't doing **** with out heads.
So are we both right? Or are we both wrong?
If people like to hide ****. Or play tricks. Good for them. And really that's hiho to me. Lol
Peace out y'allz.
I hope you mean something more affordable and not this
https://weaponxmotorsports.com/produ...=5777974296603
https://weaponxmotorsports.com/produ...=5777974296603
Troof
Pray took a A8 SS with a SLB LT1 to 10.0 @ 138 with a P1x @ 10psi, meth, headers, and converter. 1st time at the track, Full weight car, and it hit the limiter on a couple shifts. Never got the car back to the track before it came apart for a cam.
Magnuson shop car also went 9.9 @ 140 on stock exhaust with LT4 fueling. There have been a couple others around those times as well. Another Magnuson car went 10.1 @ 138 with stock exhaust, LT4 fuel system, meth. Went 200 passes which 40 were 14psi + before it let go. Had he added cat less headers and kept boost around 12psi or lower it would probably still be alive.
Either way several SBE LT1's have been into the 7xx whp. Most shops are pushing drop in piston upgrade with a bigger fuel lobe cam for added head room in fueling and added durability. Can't blame them for how critical the tuning window is on this engine.
On DI the fuel injection timing and rail pressure is critical. You get above 6.5ms on the injectors and the fuel is getting burnt outside of the combustion window, the cylinder goes lean, but the wideband shows AFR is fine = recipe for piston failure. You can't tune these engines off of AFR alone.
Jm2c fwiw.
Magnuson shop car also went 9.9 @ 140 on stock exhaust with LT4 fueling. There have been a couple others around those times as well. Another Magnuson car went 10.1 @ 138 with stock exhaust, LT4 fuel system, meth. Went 200 passes which 40 were 14psi + before it let go. Had he added cat less headers and kept boost around 12psi or lower it would probably still be alive.
Either way several SBE LT1's have been into the 7xx whp. Most shops are pushing drop in piston upgrade with a bigger fuel lobe cam for added head room in fueling and added durability. Can't blame them for how critical the tuning window is on this engine.
On DI the fuel injection timing and rail pressure is critical. You get above 6.5ms on the injectors and the fuel is getting burnt outside of the combustion window, the cylinder goes lean, but the wideband shows AFR is fine = recipe for piston failure. You can't tune these engines off of AFR alone.
Jm2c fwiw.
Pretty basic thought process that would work. Idk why more isn't applying it.
Besides....you seem to spew gutted 5br0 times like it's the norm.
I'm not sure how much the entire kit is.
I don't play tricks. I get results. The funny part is I'm way way transparent. You need to not confuse me getting results you don't like with tricks......my set up was very very basic.
From what i have seen the procharger set up is about half that. There's one on ebay now with fuel rails for like 1800 or 1900.
Troof
The procharger set up cures the fueling and as a side benefit the fuel in the port would probably help cool the charge a bit helping a tight ring gap on a large bore survive.
Pretty basic thought process that would work. Idk why more isn't applying it.
They're not identical. The ls6 intake will make 10-15 hp more and possibly 20 more with a ported snout.
I guess you missed where pray said his 9.9 car was 3500lb.
Besides....you seem to spew gutted 5br0 times like it's the norm.
I don't play tricks. I get results. The funny part is I'm way way transparent. You need to not confuse me getting results you don't like with tricks......my set up was very very basic.
From what i have seen the procharger set up is about half that. There's one on ebay now with fuel rails for like 1800 or 1900.
Troof
The procharger set up cures the fueling and as a side benefit the fuel in the port would probably help cool the charge a bit helping a tight ring gap on a large bore survive.
Pretty basic thought process that would work. Idk why more isn't applying it.
They're not identical. The ls6 intake will make 10-15 hp more and possibly 20 more with a ported snout.
I guess you missed where pray said his 9.9 car was 3500lb.
Besides....you seem to spew gutted 5br0 times like it's the norm.
False, the engine block was different, in 97-2000 the intake was different and the cams are different as well heads are obviously different two so... There goes your theory of them being the same minus the heads LMAO
Some of the later LS1 engines received LS6 blocks and they were still designated LS1's even though they had a LS6 block and LS6 Intake manifold. So by GM standards the engines are labeled by what heads are on them over anything else.
I'm not sure how much the entire kit is.
I don't play tricks. I get results. The funny part is I'm way way transparent. You need to not confuse me getting results you don't like with tricks......my set up was very very basic.
From what i have seen the procharger set up is about half that. There's one on ebay now with fuel rails for like 1800 or 1900.
Troof
The procharger set up cures the fueling and as a side benefit the fuel in the port would probably help cool the charge a bit helping a tight ring gap on a large bore survive.
Pretty basic thought process that would work. Idk why more isn't applying it.
They're not identical. The ls6 intake will make 10-15 hp more and possibly 20 more with a ported snout.
I guess you missed where pray said his 9.9 car was 3500lb.
Besides....you seem to spew gutted 5br0 times like it's the norm.
I don't play tricks. I get results. The funny part is I'm way way transparent. You need to not confuse me getting results you don't like with tricks......my set up was very very basic.
From what i have seen the procharger set up is about half that. There's one on ebay now with fuel rails for like 1800 or 1900.
Troof
The procharger set up cures the fueling and as a side benefit the fuel in the port would probably help cool the charge a bit helping a tight ring gap on a large bore survive.
Pretty basic thought process that would work. Idk why more isn't applying it.
They're not identical. The ls6 intake will make 10-15 hp more and possibly 20 more with a ported snout.
I guess you missed where pray said his 9.9 car was 3500lb.
Besides....you seem to spew gutted 5br0 times like it's the norm.
True but you can just run E85... it is very effective at pulling the heat out of the cylinder. It still doesn't cool the intake charge on a DI system but that isn't really where the issue is. I have yet to hear of a SBE LT1 failure on E85. Several on 93...too much compression imo for the tight ring gaps. Very little room for error in the tune above 7psi. Meth is a must if not running E.
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gm built ls1’s with ls6 blocks and intakes and still called them ls1’s ouch