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10-24-2008, 12:23 PM
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Looking back through here it was civil until you came in and started calling people's opinions stupid. If you can't have a friendly discussion about politics maybe you shouldn't take part in them. Especially if it hurts your feelings to find out a lot of people don't agree with you.
10-24-2008, 12:35 PM
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Looking back through here it was civil until you came in and started calling people's opinions stupid. If you can't have a friendly discussion about politics maybe you shouldn't take part in them. Especially if it hurts your feelings to find out a lot of people don't agree with you.
Zeke I don't really care what you think of me. Infact it amuses me that you thought you knew me better, you never knew me, I raced along side you once. And then after reading a years worth of your **** on here, I realized what kinda person you really are. Sorry those are my beliefs, some may not agree with me, and I don't care. Sorry I just don't agree with people that hug tree's and smoke pot all day. An I am not afraid to say it either.
10-24-2008, 01:34 PM
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You are the one that will be in for a suprise.
Yes, and the financial meltdown we are experiencing now was caused by that large living. The Dow is melting down because of it. Gas prices got ridiculously high because of a lack of regulation, also. Consumer confidence is in the ******* because everyone lost a crapload of money. Don't believe me, ask Alan Greenspan. He admitted this week that his quest for deregulating the financial market was a big mistake.
I have to say, it was really amusing in that hearing when a Republican senator tried to claim that Obama and the Democrats were responsible for the financial meltdown and got SOUNDLY rebuked by the chairman of the oversight committee and all of the witnesses, including Greenspan.
I have to say, it was really amusing in that hearing when a Republican senator tried to claim that Obama and the Democrats were responsible for the financial meltdown and got SOUNDLY rebuked by the chairman of the oversight committee and all of the witnesses, including Greenspan.
I'm glad you understand that the democrats caused the problems.
Just remember to vote for McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but a lot of us in this country are sick of the neocon talking points, and the belief that only they can create prosperity in this country. It's a load of bullshit they've been feeding us for years and years, and it was their principals that brought about the situation we are in now. You've got a supposedly conservative president in power who presided over one of the biggest expansions in government, practically converting our banking system to socialism, and for a good portion of his term had a Republican majority in the congress... And it's all CONGRESS'S FAULT? And you wanna vote for McCain who just wants to pick up Bush's financial baton and run with it?
As for the bailout.... I don't like it.... but even Obama said it was necessary. I look at as a necessary evil to fix problems caused by the Greenspan and the Clinton administration.
I don't smoke anything.... but I have to wonder how much Koolaid you have been drinking????
10-24-2008, 01:55 PM
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99blancoSS: Hopefully nothing bad happens and you can't pay your health insurance. It sounds like you pay both your share and your company's share for the insurance.
Health care supported by the government is the direction modern developed countries go.
Health care supported by the government is the direction modern developed countries go.
LMAO!! this is not realistic view of healthcare. There are millions of working people in this country who can't afford healthcare due to the cost of it and it has nothing to do with being lazy.
The health care system in this country is out of control and needs to be addressed. Its big business and it all about money and not health care. Doctors and hospitals try an ripp off the insurance companies so the insurance companies raise premiums to the point no one can afford **** and deny claims.
We pay close to $1000/month for healthcare w/2 kids. Thats ******* stupid money and it doesnt even cover total cost if someone has to go into the hospital or ******* dental!
Your ******* grand parents worked for a company that didnt outsource job to the cheapest labor market and once upon a time companies offered full benefits.
Sorry touchy subject..I pay about 12k a year in premiums for health care.. Thats more than half of the yearly income of most common jobs.
You have no idea of what you speak of
Communist?!?! LMAO! This isnt the 50's, find another adjective.
The health care system in this country is out of control and needs to be addressed. Its big business and it all about money and not health care. Doctors and hospitals try an ripp off the insurance companies so the insurance companies raise premiums to the point no one can afford **** and deny claims.
We pay close to $1000/month for healthcare w/2 kids. Thats ******* stupid money and it doesnt even cover total cost if someone has to go into the hospital or ******* dental!
Your ******* grand parents worked for a company that didnt outsource job to the cheapest labor market and once upon a time companies offered full benefits.
Sorry touchy subject..I pay about 12k a year in premiums for health care.. Thats more than half of the yearly income of most common jobs.
You have no idea of what you speak of
Communist?!?! LMAO! This isnt the 50's, find another adjective.
10-24-2008, 02:10 PM
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IF you don't think Obama's association with Ayers and his group The Weather Underground is a problem, then you should read this article and especially watch the video...
Also, watch in the news in the next day or so that Ayers was more than "just a guy in the neighborhood" for one of Obama's books. There are two distinct styles in the book Dreams From My Father and one matches Ayers style of writing including some very similar anecdotes.
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/ayers_role.htm
Just a Little Genocide
This was the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide.
The 25 people plotting the extermination of the 25 million Americans who would bitterly cling to the American way of life?
The Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
The genocide of 25 million Americans for daring to cling to the American way of life was just part of their reeducation plan for a communist America.
I do not expect you to take my word for it. Watch the documentary clip above. And if there are those of you who don't trust Grathwohl despite the lives he's saved foiling at least two Weathermen attempts at mass murder, you can simply see what Ayers and Dohrn wrote, in their own words.
Zombie has found an extremely rare, out of print edition of Prairie Fire, the communist manifesto authored by Ayers and Dohrn as they bombed their way across America.
Read the report for yourself.
You'll be stunned at the depth of the seething hatred of the United States and our way of life contained in these pages, and wonder how the protégé of these traitors, people who formally declared war against our nation and plotted murders on scale four times greater than the Holocaust, ever became the Democratic nominee for President of the nation they so loathe that they went to war against it.
I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.
And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.
And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."
Twenty-five million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.
And they were dead serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUYThis was the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide.
The 25 people plotting the extermination of the 25 million Americans who would bitterly cling to the American way of life?
The Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
The genocide of 25 million Americans for daring to cling to the American way of life was just part of their reeducation plan for a communist America.
I do not expect you to take my word for it. Watch the documentary clip above. And if there are those of you who don't trust Grathwohl despite the lives he's saved foiling at least two Weathermen attempts at mass murder, you can simply see what Ayers and Dohrn wrote, in their own words.
Zombie has found an extremely rare, out of print edition of Prairie Fire, the communist manifesto authored by Ayers and Dohrn as they bombed their way across America.
Read the report for yourself.
You'll be stunned at the depth of the seething hatred of the United States and our way of life contained in these pages, and wonder how the protégé of these traitors, people who formally declared war against our nation and plotted murders on scale four times greater than the Holocaust, ever became the Democratic nominee for President of the nation they so loathe that they went to war against it.
Also, watch in the news in the next day or so that Ayers was more than "just a guy in the neighborhood" for one of Obama's books. There are two distinct styles in the book Dreams From My Father and one matches Ayers style of writing including some very similar anecdotes.
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/ayers_role.htm
10-24-2008, 03:04 PM
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And yes I don't agree with one thing he has said on here. But then calling us all neocon's, thinking that would hurt our feelings, is a joke in itself.
Zeke I don't really care what you think of me. Infact it amuses me that you thought you knew me better, you never knew me, I raced along side you once.
And then after reading a years worth of your **** on here, I realized what kinda person you really are.
Sorry those are my beliefs, some may not agree with me, and I don't care. Sorry I just don't agree with people that hug tree's and smoke pot all day. An I am not afraid to say it either.
I'm just wondering when the pitchforks and torches are going to come out here.
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Hate to say it, but I think we are Fuc*ed either way!
10-24-2008, 03:19 PM
#228
Isn't it really ironic that most of these liberal news media companies are owned by conservatives?
Yeah, okay. Hahahaha... good one.
Maybe I should have asked what dimension you were in. LOL
They were started under Clinton with a Republican controlled congress while he was an impeached president, and furthered under Bush. That's the whole thing I don't get in all of this fingerpointing... why with a Republican conservative President, and a Republican dominated congress, that the "damage" couldn't have been undone... they were POWERLESS to stop it.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
Not to mention that you said yourself, the President has no control over it.. it's CONGRESS.
Sure thing... why don't we throw the Easter Bunny & Santa Claus in there while we're at it, because it would be equally plausible. I guess that reality isn't a big influence on your ideas there.
Too late, I already voted for Obama.
Giving them double the tax cut as the lower and middle class certainly hasn't created any jobs, in fact we're getting close to a million jobs lost this year.
You do realize that McCain was in favor of those "problems", and against George Bush's tax cuts... right?
None. I'm just not a neocon, and don't buy their hype any more... it's been tested over the last 8 years and proven wrong.
You are the one that will be in for a suprise.
Earth!!!!!!!!!! Where have you been????
His rating did not go unfavorable till the financial problems arose. Btw, the financial problem were cause by Greenspan and under the Clinton administration.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
Not to mention that you said yourself, the President has no control over it.. it's CONGRESS.
Obama was not a Senator during the Clinton administration... so I certainly can blame him.
I'm glad you understand that the democrats caused the problems.
Just remember to vote for McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just remember to vote for McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So.... you want to increase taxes on the very people that create jobs???? Brilliant plan Obama has there.
As for the bailout.... I don't like it.... but even Obama said it was necessary. I look at as a necessary evil to fix problems caused by the Greenspan and the Clinton administration.
I don't smoke anything.... but I have to wonder how much Koolaid you have been drinking????
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10-24-2008, 03:22 PM
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IF you don't think Obama's association with Ayers and his group The Weather Underground is a problem, then you should read this article and especially watch the video...
Also, watch in the news in the next day or so that Ayers was more than "just a guy in the neighborhood" for one of Obama's books. There are two distinct styles in the book Dreams From My Father and one matches Ayers style of writing including some very similar anecdotes.
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/ayers_role.htm
Also, watch in the news in the next day or so that Ayers was more than "just a guy in the neighborhood" for one of Obama's books. There are two distinct styles in the book Dreams From My Father and one matches Ayers style of writing including some very similar anecdotes.
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/ayers_role.htm
Let me refresh your memory on G. Gordon Liddy, I shouldn't need to refresh your memory on Mr. Keating.
Convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping for his role in Watergate.. sentenced to 20 years in prison. Was let out by Jimmy Carter after 4 1/2 years.
Once said that as a child the speeches of Adolph Hitler "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before".
Gave instructions on how to kill ATF agents on his radio show.
August 26, 1994 - Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.
September 15, 1994 - If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head.
September 15, 1994 - If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head.
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10-24-2008, 03:55 PM
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Detonating bombs > Radio show rhetoric
Bombs detonated:
Haymarket square (X2)
Air Force wing of the Pentagon
San Fancisco Police station
Greenwich Village (during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base)
New York City Police station
Bombs detonated:
Haymarket square (X2)
Air Force wing of the Pentagon
San Fancisco Police station
Greenwich Village (during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base)
New York City Police station
10-24-2008, 04:05 PM
#231
So McCain palling around with G. Gordon Liddy and Charles Keating, Jr. isn't a problem?
Let me refresh your memory on G. Gordon Liddy, I shouldn't need to refresh your memory on Mr. Keating.
Convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping for his role in Watergate.. sentenced to 20 years in prison. Was let out by Jimmy Carter after 4 1/2 years.
Once said that as a child the speeches of Adolph Hitler "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before".
Gave instructions on how to kill ATF agents on his radio show.
Palin's associations are even worse... How come you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that?
Let me refresh your memory on G. Gordon Liddy, I shouldn't need to refresh your memory on Mr. Keating.
Convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping for his role in Watergate.. sentenced to 20 years in prison. Was let out by Jimmy Carter after 4 1/2 years.
Once said that as a child the speeches of Adolph Hitler "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before".
Gave instructions on how to kill ATF agents on his radio show.
Palin's associations are even worse... How come you are willing to turn a blind eye to all that?
Liddy claimed that his detractors omit some important context:
“ I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated. ”
Additionally, Liddy has said that, as a child, he grew up in a German-American community that included many admirers of Adolf Hitler, and that listening to Hitler's speeches "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before." As an adult, however, he came to condemn Nazism and Hitler as "evil."
“ I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated. ”
Additionally, Liddy has said that, as a child, he grew up in a German-American community that included many admirers of Adolf Hitler, and that listening to Hitler's speeches "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before." As an adult, however, he came to condemn Nazism and Hitler as "evil."
10-24-2008, 05:04 PM
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Detonating bombs > Radio show rhetoric
Bombs detonated:
Haymarket square (X2)
Air Force wing of the Pentagon
San Fancisco Police station
Greenwich Village (during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base)
New York City Police station
Bombs detonated:
Haymarket square (X2)
Air Force wing of the Pentagon
San Fancisco Police station
Greenwich Village (during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base)
New York City Police station
So what about Watergate? What about Keating?
What about McCain voting to protect people who bombed abortion clinics?
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/04/john-mccains-do.html
10-24-2008, 05:05 PM
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10-24-2008, 05:34 PM
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Wikipedia is the first one and has the data you posted in the exact same format. So like I said if you're going to use Wiki post the whole thing. Funny, even us Neocons know how to use Google.
10-24-2008, 07:15 PM
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Obama states:
"I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban on the development of fissile material and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals."
This is the white flag you hear about.
My grandad was part of the 1st Calvery during WW1,
we still have his US Army saddle. Im not sure what he would think about this idiocy.
"I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban on the development of fissile material and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals."
This is the white flag you hear about.
My grandad was part of the 1st Calvery during WW1,
we still have his US Army saddle. Im not sure what he would think about this idiocy.
10-24-2008, 07:40 PM
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Lets just assume ALL that stuff they have on obama is false
and we should trust him for his awesome change bullshit. I wonder why Oprah backed out of supporting him? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
10-24-2008, 08:02 PM
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Zeke, I'm not sure why more republican's didn't exploit the hand-over-heart issue.
I remember seeing the video earlier on in the campaign, and watched in amazement as he looked around at his fellow Dem's but still didn't salute the country, more or less, as they were.
This was around the same time he was refusing to wear an American flag pin.
So, whatever message Barack was trying to send when he refused to do both of these things...it's been effective, because there is no way in hell I will be voting for him.
I remember seeing the video earlier on in the campaign, and watched in amazement as he looked around at his fellow Dem's but still didn't salute the country, more or less, as they were.
This was around the same time he was refusing to wear an American flag pin.
So, whatever message Barack was trying to send when he refused to do both of these things...it's been effective, because there is no way in hell I will be voting for him.
10-24-2008, 08:22 PM
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Zeke, I'm not sure why more republican's didn't exploit the hand-over-heart issue.
I remember seeing the video earlier on in the campaign, and watched in amazement as he looked around at his fellow Dem's but still didn't salute the country, more or less, as they were.
This was around the same time he was refusing to wear an American flag pin.
So, whatever message Barack was trying to send when he refused to do both of these things...it's been effective, because there is no way in hell I will be voting for him.
I remember seeing the video earlier on in the campaign, and watched in amazement as he looked around at his fellow Dem's but still didn't salute the country, more or less, as they were.
This was around the same time he was refusing to wear an American flag pin.
So, whatever message Barack was trying to send when he refused to do both of these things...it's been effective, because there is no way in hell I will be voting for him.
obama and 
go back to kenya or wherever the hell your from.FTMFW!!!!