gto vs f-bodies
06-18-2008, 04:41 PM
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06-18-2008, 08:49 PM
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Because I started posting my .02 in an unrelated thread (https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-gto-2004-2006/937188-what-happen-price-gto-s.html), I have moved the conversation here...
So, here it is, in the right thread, my opinion of the GTO vs. F-Body.
well according to this thread, that guy in your town is an idiot. cause his goat aint worth the crap, and the ss's are priceless. so he is gonna take it in the rear to get one.
and most people cant afford to mod these cars anywayz...... so waste your time on these older cars that you have to upgrade anyways to play with what is now on the street. cause ls1's aint cutting it no more........ls2,3,7,9 are spanking most modded ls1's.
and most people cant afford to mod these cars anywayz...... so waste your time on these older cars that you have to upgrade anyways to play with what is now on the street. cause ls1's aint cutting it no more........ls2,3,7,9 are spanking most modded ls1's.
400hp doesn't cut it anymore, either. I read somewhere that 500 is the new 300. I believe it.
I'd sell my GTO to get back into another Camaro. Too bad I owe $24k on an '05 with 33k miles.
I digress... The GTO is a good driver, but anything can be made to be really fast, it would just be easier to do it with a f-body.
I'd sell my GTO to get back into another Camaro. Too bad I owe $24k on an '05 with 33k miles.
I digress... The GTO is a good driver, but anything can be made to be really fast, it would just be easier to do it with a f-body.
Wittiness isn't proving your point.
But where can I start...
Suspension? It's great on the GTO, isn't it? Leaky struts, blown bushings, sagging springs. I mean, it's normal for cars with less than 10k miles to exhibit those sort of traits, right? So lets call Pedders. Thousands later, and we're on par with what a simple call to Sam Strano would have taken care of for much less. You would have also received much more than a box of bushings.
How about the traction? Those big wide 245's sure to hook... er... well, at least a thinner tire is better in the snow. It's enough worry to fit 275's on a GTO. Any bigger, it's time to cut. How wide are stock Camaro tires? 275. How easy is it to mount 315's on the back? As easy as using the tire machine.
That's a nice rubber band in the middle of the driveshaft on the GTO. Oh wait, it's a 2 peice shaft. Silly me. Well, let's spend some money on that. While we're at it, we'll dump gobs of money on a gear change and diff cover (that alone is a grand), throw in some axles and some beefy stubs. Funny, all I would have to do to a Camaro is not even hit 2 grand to have a bolt in rear that will take endless abuse - and I can keep my stock driveshaft. I mean, I could do that to the GTO, but then I have to fab everything, tub it, etc. Yeah, I think I'd rather be driving than seeing it on jackstands. No thanks.
Hmm, what can we do under the hood? Oh yeah, the same thing any LS1 or LS2 GTO can do! Imagine that!
Am I missing anything?
But where can I start...
Suspension? It's great on the GTO, isn't it? Leaky struts, blown bushings, sagging springs. I mean, it's normal for cars with less than 10k miles to exhibit those sort of traits, right? So lets call Pedders. Thousands later, and we're on par with what a simple call to Sam Strano would have taken care of for much less. You would have also received much more than a box of bushings.
How about the traction? Those big wide 245's sure to hook... er... well, at least a thinner tire is better in the snow. It's enough worry to fit 275's on a GTO. Any bigger, it's time to cut. How wide are stock Camaro tires? 275. How easy is it to mount 315's on the back? As easy as using the tire machine.
That's a nice rubber band in the middle of the driveshaft on the GTO. Oh wait, it's a 2 peice shaft. Silly me. Well, let's spend some money on that. While we're at it, we'll dump gobs of money on a gear change and diff cover (that alone is a grand), throw in some axles and some beefy stubs. Funny, all I would have to do to a Camaro is not even hit 2 grand to have a bolt in rear that will take endless abuse - and I can keep my stock driveshaft. I mean, I could do that to the GTO, but then I have to fab everything, tub it, etc. Yeah, I think I'd rather be driving than seeing it on jackstands. No thanks.
Hmm, what can we do under the hood? Oh yeah, the same thing any LS1 or LS2 GTO can do! Imagine that!
Am I missing anything?
Not entirely true. Let's use your '05 for example.
I'm going to assume that your 12.5 @ 111 is with all the mods listed on your fquick (it doesn't mention if it is or not).
Let's compare that to my '01 Z28. 13.0 @ 111.6 with a catback, lid and programmer. Assuming I had the full exhaust like you did (which would make the mods even), that E/T would be ever so close to yours, with another 2-3 mph. My car also had 90k miles at the time.
Does this mean my LS1 would have had more power than your LS2? Nope. It means that the entire package is making better use of the power.
One could argue that the 6.2 L92 in the new Escalade has more power than a 98 Z28, and therefore, have more potential. Potential for what? Just to make more power? That doesn't do it much good when it's in a luxo-barge.
I'm really not trying to be a jerk, just trying to make sense of this whole GTO vs. F-Body phenomenon.
I'm going to assume that your 12.5 @ 111 is with all the mods listed on your fquick (it doesn't mention if it is or not).
Let's compare that to my '01 Z28. 13.0 @ 111.6 with a catback, lid and programmer. Assuming I had the full exhaust like you did (which would make the mods even), that E/T would be ever so close to yours, with another 2-3 mph. My car also had 90k miles at the time.
Does this mean my LS1 would have had more power than your LS2? Nope. It means that the entire package is making better use of the power.
One could argue that the 6.2 L92 in the new Escalade has more power than a 98 Z28, and therefore, have more potential. Potential for what? Just to make more power? That doesn't do it much good when it's in a luxo-barge.
I'm really not trying to be a jerk, just trying to make sense of this whole GTO vs. F-Body phenomenon.
01-02 has the LS6 manifold. They're $300 bucks if you have a 98-00.
I don't understand this whole "better suspension" thing.
Tranny is better? It's a T56!
Brakes? Do you realize how cheap it is to throw Z06 brakes on a F-body? Furthermore, the GTO needs the better brakes since it's got more heft, sedan suspension and tiny little tires.
Gauge cluster? Now what does that have anything to do with performance?
You guys are missing the fact that I'm not saying a LS2 doesn't make more power (it's a larger engine, duh). It's that the package isn't as "race friendly" as a f-body.
I don't understand this whole "better suspension" thing.
Tranny is better? It's a T56!
Brakes? Do you realize how cheap it is to throw Z06 brakes on a F-body? Furthermore, the GTO needs the better brakes since it's got more heft, sedan suspension and tiny little tires.
Gauge cluster? Now what does that have anything to do with performance?
You guys are missing the fact that I'm not saying a LS2 doesn't make more power (it's a larger engine, duh). It's that the package isn't as "race friendly" as a f-body.
i thought we were comparing things that came stock on the vehicle
as for the t56 ----The GTO's use a triple cone blocker ring just like the vette. An fbody uses a single cone. The triple cone's are $500 for the set and the fbodys are $169.
gauge cluster- nothing with performance---you asked how was a gto more advanced.......cluster has shift light already in it....just needs to be programed.
this is true about being race friendly......but everyone is like f-bods is the only way to go....when in fact most of them now all sport ls2's or bigger.
as for the t56 ----The GTO's use a triple cone blocker ring just like the vette. An fbody uses a single cone. The triple cone's are $500 for the set and the fbodys are $169.
gauge cluster- nothing with performance---you asked how was a gto more advanced.......cluster has shift light already in it....just needs to be programed.
this is true about being race friendly......but everyone is like f-bods is the only way to go....when in fact most of them now all sport ls2's or bigger.
That's my point. I'm not saying the GTO sucks. I'm saying the GTO is not the better platform to build a "race" car. Even stock for stock, the GTO is a different car (that's why I bought mine in the first place).
You can buy a shiftlight for dirt cheap. It doesn't have to be a huge monster one from Autometer either.
Everything you can do to the GTO you can do to the Camaro. You're right, most modified ones are running 6.0's or larger. Which would mean a 6.0 Camaro vs. 6.0 GTO = Camaro.
Comparing the T56 is just like comparing the engines. It's the same thing when it boils down to it. At the end of the day, the F-Body is still better suited for the track.
My ranting is entirely in the wrong thread.
You can buy a shiftlight for dirt cheap. It doesn't have to be a huge monster one from Autometer either.
Everything you can do to the GTO you can do to the Camaro. You're right, most modified ones are running 6.0's or larger. Which would mean a 6.0 Camaro vs. 6.0 GTO = Camaro.
Comparing the T56 is just like comparing the engines. It's the same thing when it boils down to it. At the end of the day, the F-Body is still better suited for the track.
My ranting is entirely in the wrong thread.
06-19-2008, 01:57 AM
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Ok i think enough facts have been stated no need to repeat. The GTO guys are going to think they're faster and the Fbody guys are going to think they are faster. So this thread will keep on going. As a matter of personal opinion ive owned both and i drive an Fbody right now... nuff said
06-20-2008, 04:57 AM
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GTOs are so much better that F-Bodys, especially their suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WclO8ShFwIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WclO8ShFwIA
06-20-2008, 07:23 AM
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Yeah... with 8,000 on the odo.
Here's another...
I have never ever heard anyone refer to bushings as bushes or a (singular) bushing as a bush. All of a sudden, this company from Australia comes out with stuff for the GTO and everyone is calling stuff bushes.
This thought has inspired me to post something on LS1GTO...
Here's another...
I have never ever heard anyone refer to bushings as bushes or a (singular) bushing as a bush. All of a sudden, this company from Australia comes out with stuff for the GTO and everyone is calling stuff bushes.
This thought has inspired me to post something on LS1GTO...
06-20-2008, 05:25 PM
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cars need to be getting lighter, GM needs to increase fuel economy on all its models. I drove by a large truck dealership the other day and saw $15,000 off of some of the large trucks. The new Z28s should weigh 3000 not 3800.