RON 95ZR1

Like said, the TFS heads will be an improvement over the old techno stuff. We should see more N/A 2-valve's in the 11's. Does that make it all worth the money? HECK NO!...in my opinion. For what he's planning to spend FI would be a much better route to take, and you sir can't argue that. Atleast not sensibly.

Just don't mistake me for the typical semi-bald, viagra inducing, self-consious old fart you probably think I am. I've been where you've been son, i've been where you've been. j/k

sleeperstang16

Wait guys im lost...the now gt motors are 3v not 2v...and the 3v is a MAYJOR upgrade from the 99-04 gt's i mean to me any gt older then an 05 is no better than a V6 stock....the 05+ stangs are good comp for he new SS lol only if they stay stock

ARCTIC '00

A 2010 LS3 SS will blow the doors cleeeen off a S197 GT. They are more of a match for an intake/catback LT1.

Ke^in

4K? The heads cost $1999, and are fully loaded with goodies. Head swap alone will put you on par with a stock LS1.

Ke^in

I've seen S197s take stock LS1s many times.

The LS3 SS will have more problems dealing with the 2011 400HP+ 5.0 that will be out soon.

The V6 model will have over 300hp as well. What I think will be funny is when the 2011 V6 mustangs beat 2010 GT in a race stock vs stock. Sad.

They really are going to raise the bar in 2011 as far as HP improvements go with Mustangs.

big hammer

yes the heads are just $1999. but that's just the beginning. there's all your gaskets, time, fuel burnt runing around to get that special tool you might need, running getting extra parts that need to be replaced that you didn't notice before--- it adds up very quickly. i've been there many times.

and on par with an ls1 with just heads and nothing else at all remains to be seen.

big hammer

yes an s197 with the right mods and driver can beat a stock ls1. but stock for stock or mod for mod it's all ls1.

stop counting your chickens before they hatch with the new 5.0. everything about the rumoured engine still remains to be seen.

the new v6 wont beat the current v8 stang. it may have similar hp, but torque will likely be significantly less.

Ke^in

They are a direct bolt on.. soo..
Someone took the heads and installed them with only a full exhaust mod and made more rwhp than a stock LS1 does. So you are saying without the exhaust he'd not even be able to keep up? I mean I guess I could go and post another link to someone doing just that. But I doubt I would be vindicated..
I wasn't referring to modded ones. I've seen both stock S197s and stock LS1 get 13.5 in the 1/4.
Given two drivers that are exactly alike, I agree.
The same people that claimed the V6 was going to be 300+hp are the same people making the 5.0 claims. Now Ford has came out and said yes, the V6 will be 300+.
Probably right. But it will be close. Close enough that a slightly modded V6 and a stock GT will be a driver's race.

ARCTIC '00

Wow u sure are loyal to the Blue Oval that's for sure.

Ke^in

Why do you say that? Before I bought this Mustang I owned 3 Dodge's, a Chevy S-10, and a VW Rabbit. I have no loyalty to Ford. The Mustang is really the only car they make that I like. I think brand loyalty fanboyism is lame.

I like all kinds of fast cars regardless of who makes them.

This is the first Ford I've ever owned in my 36 years of being on this planet.

ARCTIC '00

Your 36 years old and you bought a 2v Mustang as your performance car. Your suppose to be smarter than that.

No just kidding. But no, serioulsly, sell the Mustang before you put too many more miles on it. Then buy an old SN95 Cobra or an LS1 F-body and mod that.

Ke^in

Why would I buy an old SN95 Cobra when they both run about the same? Plus, I don't like the looks of SN95 body styles. I am not too keen on Camaros, But love the 00-02 TransAm. Too bad a 02 that was well kept, and had as low miles on it as mine did (I bought it 5 months ago and it had 9k miles on it, now it has 13k) cost about 10k more than what I payed for my GT. I am serious, there was not one TransAm I could find with less than 15k miles on it that was going for less than 18k in price. I bought my NewEdge for 10k. I bought this knowing that if I wanted to go N/A I could because of the trick flow heads. If I want to go boost, the 4.6 modular loves boost right out of the showroom floor. I've also always wanted a Mustang. I didn't buy a car to drive on the weekends on the 1/4 track. This is my DD that I got just for ***** and giggles. I will be getting anywhere between 350-450 out of it, and still be cheaper had I bought the TransAm. Not because I am going to race it, but because I just want a fun toy. Can you spend less than 10k on a LS1 car used? Sure. But not one in almost perfect condition with 9k miles on it.

Considering I paid over HALF the cost of the car originally, for one that has barely been used, I'd say I faired pretty well. Even if I had gotten a LSx I wouldn't have been happy. Why? I've always wanted a Mustang. Not everyone buys cars based on stock HP.

I have no hatred toward GM, or the LS1. AWESOME GREAT cars. If I was buying a car on HP alone, I would have gotten a LS1 based car regardless of the price.

I realize the 2v not even a year ago had little potential N/A. But it does now. However, I am looking to go sc/turbo one or the other here soon. Later on I can up the HP and get those heads.

There are a lot of fast-fastish LS1 cars around my area in the 400hp range. Very few NewEdges like that. Most of the NE cars around are the V6s. I just wanted something different.

w3s1c0a5t

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ARCTIC '00

I see what your saying sorta. If you like 99-04 GT's there's nothing wrong with that. I was just giving my .2 cents on it. Anyhow, enough speculation. When do the heads come out and when can I see some track times? Only then will I have any hope for a "stout" N/A 2v GT.

Stop hatin' bro. Just ask your girl's opinion if she'd prefer riding with you or one of the other guys in the latest 'vette.







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87turbo2

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I take it by Ls1, you're only referring to the F-bodies? Some m6 Y bodies have put up mid-low 12's stock over on corvetteforum.com and ls6's are in 11's stock.

As for the new camaro, I have to agree that the L99s are dogs until tuned. My best friends roomate recently got one. They went out and raced the camaro against his intake, exhaust NOS (75shot) 95 corvette. The camaro got pulled 4-5 cars everytime.

w3s1c0a5t

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Well my girl is with me... and their are zr1's in town so...

Good luck getting play with your vette. Should have just got a hooker. Its cheaper way to get laid.

Ke^in

They are already out, and people are already making 400+hp from 2v N/A Mustangs. A guy that Is in the mustang forum I hang out in is attempt to fine tune these heads with his N/A auto 2v setup. So far he's been able to hit 11.6 in the 1/4. Not that big of a deal to a LS1 car. But before these heads, a 2v could barely make 310hp N/A with just boltons.

ponygt65

THat's a first for me. Never heard of a C5 running mid low 12s bone stock. Even on the i-net....till now.

ARCTIC '00

Hmm looks like things are getting better for the 99-04's. What year is your car and what mods are already done to it? Do you have any idea what cams you are going to go with? What fuel system? You do know there is a lot more to be done besides heads to achieve those power levels.

Ke^in

I just got this car about 4 months ago. It's a 2002 with 9k miles on it. Barley driven.

This winter I will probably be putting some 3.73s in the rear, a SHS, complete exhaust and a few other toys. I am looking for a procharger kit for a decent price. I will have it boosted before the heads are changed.

PS. thanks for being cool.